Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

There's something incredibly perverse about the fact that "Dougie" and his family seem to be the only ones who got a fan service-y happy ending.

and norma and big ed!

Lucy understood cellphones

and bobby, and some of the other sheriff's dept people! i mean, they all just witnessed this weird battle between good and evil, with good (in the form of a youtube novelty guy beating the shit out of BOB with an incredible hulk fist) appeared to have won.

Lucy (basically) killing Bad Coop was the fan service to end all fan service

It literally ended all fan service

Norma & Ed scene is extremely problematic to me. I feel like I've been shouting into the void about this, but this scene was NOT payoff. Norma & Ed were together in the S2 finale, and even after Nadine snapped out of it, nothing indicated that Ed would stay with her and leave Norma. They had each other, and in the opening scene of 15, we see Nadine marching up to tell Ed "you're free" - holy shit, Ed STAYED with Nadine??????? This is a kick in the gut on top of the scene in 13 where we first see Ed and him and Norma are apparently together, until that other dude shows up, ruining the fantasy with a tonal hand grenade just like the scene in 11 with Shelly & Red. Yes, it was great seeing Ed and Norma kiss over Otis - but this was 25 years late, after they already had it!!! Again, the RR was a focal point where Lynch was showing us the superimposition of timelines and universes - and seeing that Ed & Norma scene play out made me feel really sick, because the elevation that this had been delayed & FRUSTRATED for 25 years overrode any satisfaction in seeing them kiss. That frustration runs throughout S3.

The last ep was utterly perplexing to me. I feel a bit less confused after catching up on this thread. The dramatic slowing down and complete refusal to even return to about a dozen plot threads that I was sure would reach some kind of conclusion was definitely frustrating, but that seems to be the point.

Given that something horrible maybe/likely happened to Becky (we may never know!), I feel Bobby's ending is far from happy. On the other hand, like, that's not where "his" "ending" is at; indeed, he just witnessed the awesome destruction of BOB, it's true

oh, that's true. ok, so bobby will be slightly fucked up 4 lyfe, then. bobby: the return

Norma & Ed scene is extremely problematic to me. I feel like I've been shouting into the void about this, but this scene was NOT payoff.

yes, and i agree that it was unnecessary/lazy, but i do think it ticks the "fan service-y happy ending" box.

I kinda feel like even referencing the ultimate fates of the characters is meaningless. Coop fucked the timeline, everything has changed, and Laura isn't even ultimately saved (being murdered in her youth may have been the preferable fate).

This is how Lynch goes out? No hope. Black hole. End.

Jesus

I also want to echo flappy bird regarding just how amazing the sheriff's department scene with Coop's face superimposed was. Incredibly disquieting, and as such a mood-setter for Episode 18.

i could be alone, but i don't really care about all the unresolved plots. the biggest one for me was the box from the first few episodes. i thought for sure that it would play a role in the final episodes - not just a role but a KEY, crucial role. but it didn't, and i'm fine with that. i will always think about that box and what it meant and how it related to the rest of the world, and i'll never be exactly sure what it meant. AND I THINK ABOUT THE SAME THINGS ABOUT MY DAD OK *cries*

Still so sad for Sam and Tracey :'(

I also want to echo flappy bird regarding just how amazing the sheriff's department scene with Coop's face superimposed was. Incredibly disquieting, and as such a mood-setter for Episode 18.

― Dancing on the Pylons, Monday, September 4, 2017 2:02 AM (forty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rivals Cooper's initial entry into the Black Lodge in the S2 finale as my favorite thing Lynch has ever done. That scene was unbelievable. I was contorted.

does anyone know if the superimposed face was taken from another episode, or if that was a new shot?

Only unresolved thread I'm bummed about is Audrey- a main character from the original series, doesn't show up until more than halfway through the new season, and even then only in 3 incredibly frustrating scenes in some house, and then she has her big moment at the Roadhouse and then she wakes up - where? Audrey???? Look. I understand leaving the Becky thread hanging. She's a new character, and there's no explicit tease of her fate. How tf can they let Audrey hang with that final shot in the mirror in the white room at the end of 16???

xp iirc they landed on that shot and then let it stick and loop over the rest of the scene, as it played out literally inside of Cooper's head.

xxp

Contorted indeed! That scene was both painful (I think the dread never left for the rest of the evening) and euphoria-inducing (because it was so goddamn good). Not sure I've ever been more consciously on the edge of my seat, ha.

OTM

re: painful & euphoric

xxxxpost. Not only were the two hotels different, but I think there's good evidence that they were from different times.

The car Cooper drives seems to be old (e.g., look at the steering wheel & listen to how it runs), and the motel seems to be old-timey. I'm guessing that's from the 40s or 50s (maybe supposed to be near New Mexico, as in episode 8?).

But I immediately noticed that the hotel room he wakes up in is different, noticeably including a remote control for the TV: I don't think there was any sign of such technology from the night before.

I probably need to rewatch.

In any case, although I like speculating some at all this, I really like that nothing (for the most part) is wrapped up in a nice simple story.

Maybe one way to put is this: Lynch likes to float all sorts of signifiers of things having deeper meanings that we can figure out, which gets the audience into the mode of watching most other TV & film. But just like such signifiers in real life, everything is much more ambiguous. In that sense, despite all his surrealism (or whatever you want to call it), his film-making actually comes closer to depicting reality than things that seem much more normal. All this reminds me of Kafka.

I'm not sure if any of that makes sense, so maybe I need to go to bed now.

i really loved the group of characters in the superimposition scene. when superimposed coop said that it was a dream (i forget the actual quote) it made perfect sense. andy looking like tintin, a guy with a hulk fist, the three casino gals...jim belushi. it was just an intensely odd assortment of characters.

All this reminds me of Kafka.

definitely. and of course lynch has a deep affinity for kafka, and tried to make an adaptation of metamorphosis at one point

The line is "we live inside a dream", it's what Jeffries says in fwwm xp

there you go.

i can't wait to rewatch everything, starting from scratch, in a year or two

the second motel room - the one with a tv and a remote - also had a rotary phone. suggests that whatever weird parallel universe Cooper wakes up in is structurally/metaphysically corrupt & confused (i.e. the dead man stuck in time in Carrie/Laura's house - just like the Yellow Jacket Man in Blue Velvet).

laura's hestitation to Coop when he re-appears is heartbreaking - like he gets back in contact with her but she's frozen with grief

in 18 I mean

his film-making actually comes closer to depicting reality than things that seem much more normal.

Yep. In a different register, I had that in mind when writing earlier that what we got was the traversal of several interlocking and mutually constitutive spatio-temporal apparatuses... that's basically what, um, ~the world~/~reality~ is like anyway. And I don't mean that in the literalist sense of e.g. parallel dimensions, time travel, etc.; but what Part 18 most clearly opened up to was a variety of intersecting contexts that shift and modify and modulate each other.

Can we take a second to appreciate Tammy's one-second Google and recitation of Douglas Jones's antics

Good second to take, that moment was great/funny

What if we're completely wrong about how remarkable this was and in ten years we'll look back at it and the main thing we'll remember is Bad Coop's minimalist and inscrutable anti-tracking app

Special mention to the return of Major Briggs's disembodied head, a screencap of which I will send to my Stargate-loving brother

How tf can they let Audrey hang with that final shot in the mirror in the white room at the end of 16???

Because it's awesome and frightening and suggestive.

god, that really crappy looking briggs head was a signifier of things to come. it's like, here's where briggs is, the noble, patient briggs - his head is floating, blankly, in perpetuity

Also, Bad Coop in THAT CAGE was really funny

Dougie's antics were transmitted to them from the LV FBI

xxxxxp

How tf can they let Audrey hang with that final shot in the mirror in the white room at the end of 16???

Because it's awesome and frightening and suggestive.

― sciatica, Monday, September 4, 2017 2:33 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm 😔

I took that as an FBI transmission too but I think wins was right about how Google-y it felt, or simply how funny that recitation was. Lots of exposition in that first scene! Unlike in anything else that was to follow.

xp

So the whole point of getting the coordinates and going to the secret location was to just get teleported a little ways down the road to the sheriff's office.

I appreciated the reveal that Jerry and the Richard immolation happened somewhere in Wyoming, not in TP.

Carrie Page is a waitress who tried so hard to keep a clean house before getting fed up and shooting her husband... sounds familiar...

oh fuck

Well the whole point of the initial clue that the missing thing that had something to do with Hawk's heritage was for him to drop a dime in order to see a label for Nez Perce Manufacturing.

Last episode eternally ruined for me by watching with wife who refused to get off her phone and yelled how irritating the screams were and interrupted me every five minutes to tell me about Shit I didn't care about

this show has helped me with depression so much, quite a gift that it came on this year

now the bottom feels like it has fallen out

all my questions are no longer "why" so much as "why did they bother", e.g. why did the log lady bother saying "laura is the one"? why did the fireman bother spewing a laura ball back to earth? why did they bother putting an unknown entity in sarah's kitchen? why did dr amp bother making shit shovels? why did dale bother to embark on any of this?

honestly it feels like the first 17 hours of this show didn't need to happen. i can't get past this thought, and in hindsight i would probably not recommend this show to anyone. either watch the last hour only, or watch the first 16 hours and make up your own fanfic ending.

this is not anger, it's not sour grapes, i just don't know what the point of this enormously long show was, apart from being an endless procession of truly astonishing set pieces. a 2–3 hour movie with an abstract ending, fine. 18 hours across three months, totally confounding.