Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

i really loved the group of characters in the superimposition scene. when superimposed coop said that it was a dream (i forget the actual quote) it made perfect sense. andy looking like tintin, a guy with a hulk fist, the three casino gals...jim belushi. it was just an intensely odd assortment of characters.

All this reminds me of Kafka.

definitely. and of course lynch has a deep affinity for kafka, and tried to make an adaptation of metamorphosis at one point

The line is "we live inside a dream", it's what Jeffries says in fwwm xp

there you go.

i can't wait to rewatch everything, starting from scratch, in a year or two

the second motel room - the one with a tv and a remote - also had a rotary phone. suggests that whatever weird parallel universe Cooper wakes up in is structurally/metaphysically corrupt & confused (i.e. the dead man stuck in time in Carrie/Laura's house - just like the Yellow Jacket Man in Blue Velvet).

laura's hestitation to Coop when he re-appears is heartbreaking - like he gets back in contact with her but she's frozen with grief

in 18 I mean

his film-making actually comes closer to depicting reality than things that seem much more normal.

Yep. In a different register, I had that in mind when writing earlier that what we got was the traversal of several interlocking and mutually constitutive spatio-temporal apparatuses... that's basically what, um, ~the world~/~reality~ is like anyway. And I don't mean that in the literalist sense of e.g. parallel dimensions, time travel, etc.; but what Part 18 most clearly opened up to was a variety of intersecting contexts that shift and modify and modulate each other.

Can we take a second to appreciate Tammy's one-second Google and recitation of Douglas Jones's antics

Good second to take, that moment was great/funny

What if we're completely wrong about how remarkable this was and in ten years we'll look back at it and the main thing we'll remember is Bad Coop's minimalist and inscrutable anti-tracking app

Special mention to the return of Major Briggs's disembodied head, a screencap of which I will send to my Stargate-loving brother

How tf can they let Audrey hang with that final shot in the mirror in the white room at the end of 16???

Because it's awesome and frightening and suggestive.

god, that really crappy looking briggs head was a signifier of things to come. it's like, here's where briggs is, the noble, patient briggs - his head is floating, blankly, in perpetuity

Also, Bad Coop in THAT CAGE was really funny

Dougie's antics were transmitted to them from the LV FBI

xxxxxp

How tf can they let Audrey hang with that final shot in the mirror in the white room at the end of 16???

Because it's awesome and frightening and suggestive.

― sciatica, Monday, September 4, 2017 2:33 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm 😔

I took that as an FBI transmission too but I think wins was right about how Google-y it felt, or simply how funny that recitation was. Lots of exposition in that first scene! Unlike in anything else that was to follow.

xp

So the whole point of getting the coordinates and going to the secret location was to just get teleported a little ways down the road to the sheriff's office.

I appreciated the reveal that Jerry and the Richard immolation happened somewhere in Wyoming, not in TP.

Carrie Page is a waitress who tried so hard to keep a clean house before getting fed up and shooting her husband... sounds familiar...

oh fuck

Well the whole point of the initial clue that the missing thing that had something to do with Hawk's heritage was for him to drop a dime in order to see a label for Nez Perce Manufacturing.

Last episode eternally ruined for me by watching with wife who refused to get off her phone and yelled how irritating the screams were and interrupted me every five minutes to tell me about Shit I didn't care about

this show has helped me with depression so much, quite a gift that it came on this year

now the bottom feels like it has fallen out

all my questions are no longer "why" so much as "why did they bother", e.g. why did the log lady bother saying "laura is the one"? why did the fireman bother spewing a laura ball back to earth? why did they bother putting an unknown entity in sarah's kitchen? why did dr amp bother making shit shovels? why did dale bother to embark on any of this?

honestly it feels like the first 17 hours of this show didn't need to happen. i can't get past this thought, and in hindsight i would probably not recommend this show to anyone. either watch the last hour only, or watch the first 16 hours and make up your own fanfic ending.

this is not anger, it's not sour grapes, i just don't know what the point of this enormously long show was, apart from being an endless procession of truly astonishing set pieces. a 2–3 hour movie with an abstract ending, fine. 18 hours across three months, totally confounding.

also there's still a page missing from laura's diary and i just fuck

good post AA

feel like this show is a demonstration in beauty that goes nowhere, deflates expectations and then inflates them as needed - not sure I feel trolled, but feel taken for a ride.

like Laura's facial expression in that final car ride in 18 - I feel like that, like what is all worth? and if it's worth nought, i know that feeling, but christ is it crushing

Like when Laura says "i was too young to know any better'" - we can intrinsically understand that now but what much has changed overall? I'm haunted

I just remembered how that car turns around in the middle of nowhere and follows them for a second and then pulls ahead again and speeds off.

not sure I feel trolled, but feel taken for a ride.

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:49 (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i feel trolled. mark frost deliberately set up an abundance of puzzles and devices for us to work on and think about, and it turns out there was no point to any of it.

weeks ago i said this show has raised my expectation of tv to the point that nothing else satisfies me. that remains true, but now it's what this show could be that has raised my expectation, not what it's turned out to be.

i imagine there's a full part-18 draft on frost's hard drive that brings many of the clues and subplots to a clear and satisfying conclusion, but was nixed the second lynch had a crazy gut instinct to go on this nihilistic trip. (not that i'm demanding a satisfying conclusion, but parts 1–16 are merely a sour taste in my mouth now.)

nihilistic is OTM AA

which is fucking disappointing. when people perceive you to be unpredictable and it always turns out that way, kinda start being a caricature. The most unpredictable thing for Lynch to do is to deliver some good news...meh

when Laura says she's "trying to keep a clean house" she's talking about addiction (coke) which is devestating

xp to ross: yeah. i mean i don't want to say lynch's art is ~wrong~ (that's never true of art), just that the enormous setup has fallen mostly flat. i was all prepped to buy the 4k blu-ray boxset but i don't think i'll bother now.

Can't believe lynch made a mockery of the little man's famous line "she's filled with answers"

― streeps of range (wins)

Every tv thread eventually gets its own "it's called mad men not happy ladies"

in some ways it's a piss-off that the longest scene between Coop and Laura is driving in car with desolate silence ala Lost Highway. At least they could've played modest mouse it's a long drive with nothing to think about

lmao

Would've been rad if they bumped into Harry Dean Stanton's character from Paris Texas walking along the side of the road or something

it's a dick move that there's no-one by the name of Sarah Palmer at the end of S18. I mean, Christ

it just occurred to me that right at the start the fireman said "remember 430, richard and linda, two birds with one stone" and dale said "i understand". but in the end he apparently didn't understand at all.

i mean, i can't imagine a version of lord of the rings where frodo gets to mount doom and goes "wait, what am i doing with this ring again"

it's a discordian logic, what actually matters here? I just feel mesmerized without logic, i feel like this is chaos personified in media

otm

in the end like the silencio scene - i've felt something, i've been manipulated - that's art

yeah but in a throwing shit at a wall and hoping some of it sticks kind of way

"the horse is the white of the eyes!" fuck he might as well have said "guilty feet have got no rhythm" for all it mattered

get a room or two you two

room 253