Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

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why? the infinite loop of purgatory hits me hard

its called twin peaks not only child valleys

wtf does that mean?

Richard and Linda

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpeNwSAdhbk

https://youtu.be/Xwv9i2Oq9Aw

lol wtf latebloomer

y'all got selwyned.

WTF does that mean? Diane Selwyned?

https://thewebsitez.com/snuuz/2017/08/15/twin-peaks-final-four-episodes-teasersspoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk/

Episode 17

Cole makes a statement/confession (translation from Russian isn’t clear)
Coops doppelganger arrives in Twin Peaks.
Sheriff Truman gets an unexpected call.
Freddie fulfills his destiny.
Laura runs away from James in the past (again, translation isn’t 100% clear)
Pete goes fishing.

Psst

https://chinese.yabla.com/chinese-english-pinyin-dictionary.php?define=jiao+dai

dude FTW I said we were getting trolled premere-wise (was on coke) so IN THE end not sure what to think

as in I didn'r want to believe it was all a lark (au revoir simone)

I'm absolutely gutted. AA OTM, as always. The whole mad exhilarating intensity of "gotta light?" seems pretty pointless now.

wtf is wrong with y'all

in the end like the silencio scene - i've felt something, i've been manipulated - that's art

― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, September 4, 2017 12:28 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah but in a throwing shit at a wall and hoping some of it sticks kind of way

― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Monday, September 4, 2017 12:28 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

y'all didn't deserve this show come on

jed_ you're extraordinarily kind but i've been wrong at least 3/4 of the time! many more consistently otm posters all through these threads.

honestly i don't know what to do with gotta light now. as a standalone piece it's incredible, but in light of it (apparently) going absolutely nowhere i just couldn't recommend it. anticipation is at least half of what made it so enjoyable.

y'all didn't deserve this show come on

it's difficult to argue all the unrealised promises have been fulfilling, regardless of how good it's been as a work of art

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SBNoZjW1TWk/V1ruHDapjEI/AAAAAAABpvw/NQvgxfFx9P8RzhpvHToB_kET2BYrX7r5wCLcB/s1600/tumblr_m4bvlb3HRb1rtgfeuo1_500.gif

^ otm, jesus

sorry i woke up cranky, y'all certainly deserved this show

Nah you were right the first time. Retroactively revoking their Peaks Privileges

Psst

https://chinese.yabla.com/chinese-english-pinyin-dictionary.php?define=jiao+dai🕸

Haha love it

it probably doesn't help that i'm coming across so negative. i've loved every episode, every scene, every character, every artistic decision. it's been an absolute joy from start to finish. it's just that (a) there are so many unaddressed clues and unresolved subplots that the show carries an astronomically high blue balls quotient (i don't need a neat bag of closure, but this really does feel like they ditched the original ending and made up part 18 on the spot), and (b) i haven't worked out the point of all this. in time i might watch the whole thing again, with a better sense of what to dig into and what to ignore, but for now i'll wait to see whether far more intelligent people can *cough* make sense of it.

Emily Stephens' review at the AV Club is a good first stab

her reviews have been consistently incredible. i really like that she focused on dale not actually being that good at heroically sorting things out, right down to asking the wrong questions in that last episode.

I just remembered how that car turns around in the middle of nowhere and follows them for a second and then pulls ahead again and speeds off.

There's a very visible "Pass With Care" sign either right before or right after this. In retrospect I think you can read this as "there's a structure in which this is a cop show and one car's following another car, but this isn't actually that structure, this is the structure where different cars on the road / human beings in time sometimes sync up but only temporarily and then the streams decouple from each other"

Cooper's car that goes from the motel to Odessa has Texas plates

"Remember Richard and Linda" -- I guess I think (following Autumn Almanac's "this is the real Cooper of which we've previously seen only fragments" take) that the reason Cooper is asked to "remember Richard and LInda" by the Fireman is because Richard is the "real person" whose dream Cooper kind of is? And who Cooper in some way has the capacity to remember being?

The question is, in the sex scene in the night, is that Richard then? Or is it only Richard in the morning? I think the former. I think he's Richard and Diane is Linda as soon as they "cross", whatever crossing means.

"Richard and Linda" seems like a reference to Richard and Linda Thompson after all.

In Stephens' review:

"That scream is deployed to dreadful effect here, as Laura slips from Dale Cooper’s grasp in the forest, again as she’s lifted from the Red Room, and finally as she hears Sarah calling “Laura?” at the end."

She does? I heard a kind of whimper from the house -- was it Sarah calling "Laura"? Really?

the reason Cooper is asked to "remember Richard and LInda" by the Fireman is because Richard is the "real person" whose dream Cooper kind of is? And who Cooper in some way has the capacity to remember being?

oh wow that is one hell of a revelation. so when the fireman said "remember 430, richard and linda, two birds with one stone", perhaps he meant the two birds were not richard and linda, but were (1) to remember 430 for the transfer, (2) to remember that he's richard and diane is linda.

could the fact that dale says "two birds with one stone" to gordon in part 17, and gordon's earlier dream commentary re monica bellucci, mean dale, gordon, diane and laura are sharing the same dream world?

Also: if the Roadhouse scenes, or some of them, are taking place inside Audrey's consciousness, then Ruby (Charlyne Yi) who screams at the end ep 15 must be Laura somehow, right? She is moved from one place to another, gently but essentially forcibly, as Laura is moved in 18 by Coop/Richard.

was it Sarah calling "Laura"? Really?

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 4 September 2017 21:39 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, apparently it's s1e1 audio from when sarah's calling laura downstairs having not yet learnt she had died.

The obvious theory is that the end is Laura waking up the morning she was found dead, right?

I'd recognise that Sarah Palmer audio anywhere, lynch reuses it constantly in show & film (usually pitched down or otherwise distorted)

just remember that life is a mystery, and that everyone must stand alone

Btw the woman who plays Alice Tremond at the end is apparently the irl owner of the house used for the Palmer house

xp lol otm

ha I was wondering if that was the home owner. she didn't seem like an actress.

i've not seen this mentioned anywhere: the platters song that starts playing when dale/richard and diane/linda get their shag on is also the song playing on the radio in 1956 (part 8), just before the woodsman walks into the studio and crushes skulls. maybe those kids were young richard and linda! they comment on liking the song, then she finds a penny (which imo is a callback to red, which in turn is a callback to the chalfont kid's creamed corn magic), so... maybe?

btw i know the kids don't look anything like dale and diane, but we don't really know what anyone but laura/carrie looks like in that alternative universe anyway.

whyyyyy am i trying to ~solve~ this, it's never got me anywhere before

you mean "my prayer"?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a0/0c/1f/a00c1f2636754bb694de2484a1651721.jpg

yeah

ohhhh shit

Am I crazy or did they change the sound of dale's reaction to the whisper from a horrified sharp intake of breath in part 2 to an almost comically exaggerated "huhhhh?" in the finale

definitely different, a "huhhh" of understanding in part 2 but a "huhhh?" Of surprise in part 18

The scene with the cowboys in Judy's gave me heavy Borges "El Sur"/"The South" vibes. And Borges being all about this idea we are living inside someone else's dream it gave me a slight chill.

Here's the synopsis for that story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_South_(short_story)

Also lol at head cowboy's "What the fuck just happened?".

I think I'm bothered less by the lack of resolution than I am by, as noted upthread, the seeming nihilism of the ending. It feels very antithetical for Lynch, who more often than not ultimately provides some degree of escape from the horror, rarely a happy ending but a mote of hope. This time it feels like there's no exit.