Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

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love the infinity symbol Jeffries uses for a map. it was cool to see him morph the Owl Cave glyph into it. infinite mysteries indeed.

When Cooper went into the Laura/James scene from fwwm I was feeling so much awe and dread but did also find some time to chuckle at bringing in a sequence at this point that straight up mentions both Donna's importance and Bobby killing a guy

I've been spending my Tuesday mornings fairly discombobulated (or discomBOBulated) by this series, but last night I made the slightly daft decision to watch it live on Sky Atlantic from 1am. I hopped over to the catch-up service at the first commercial so I didn't have to endure any ads. So I came to work today on less than five hours' sleep and with my head full of the image of the Palmers' house, overlaid with various dreams of barren landscapes and dark cupboards and boxes. Everything today is a dream.

I was curious about the drive from Odessa TX to the top of WA state (about 1700 miles), so dropped the Google Streetview icon into the middle of a suggested driving route and found myself behind a stetson-hatted ranger... followed him and found...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@37.1663795,-108.4731126,3a,75y,157.94h,101.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAuEtj-8hyvtoD9WMYoRz7Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Which freaked me out a bit. But then so did the trees at the edge of the park by Grand Union Canal at lunchtime. This will take a while to subside.

The studio version of Richard & Linda Thompson's "Sunnyvista" is 4:30.

In SunnyVista all your dreams are reality
It's the smart place to be
For all the family
O SunnyVista, where you always wanted to stay
We'll dance the happy hours away

https://genius.com/Richard-and-linda-thompson-sunnyvista-lyrics

sorry for some of my posts last night, this was a difficult watch. enjoyed every minute of this thing as well, walked away feeling that evil/good will always co-exist, and this show carries that torch pretty strongly

adam OTM this was a honest ending.

The car ride between Laura/Cooper was so painful, perfectly capturing what time does to people

i can probably read some kind of hope into the final shot of the series—which featured a cast of lodge spirits who imposed their will on reality, whether malicious or well-intentioned or oddly neutral and elusive, through the medium of electricity—being a shot of a house in which all of the electricity has been shut off

idk though

at the very least this was an excellent if digressive 18 episode screed against turkey jerky

I felt that Coop's attempts to change Laura's fate were perhaps prevented by the sticky inertia black hole of Sarah's grief; it's the first unchanged place that we see after Cooper intervenes, and it's as if the pain there has a fixedness, a weight. So bringing Laura to see Sarah is an attempt to resolve and unclog that energy. And maybe it succeeds? I don't know.

Also, because my brain is broken, I was thinking Richard and Linda was a Carpenters reference. No idea why I confused Linda and Karen, though I do know a related Linda and Karen. I spent ages trying to think of Carpenters/TP connections. Boy.

I'm not a huge fan of Fulci's The Beyond but that ending and this season 3 finale seem very similar to me.

^ This.

Also seems prosaic to talk about such things but Lucy shooting Booper mirrors Andy shooting Jacques Reynaud.

But yeah, this was great. Like MHD and IE I think it needs at least one more viewing to unpack.

Soo, guess the confounding finale will make Mark Frost's final dossier sell like hot cakes eh

Andy’s vision in the parking lot was him steering Lucy through the hallway to go shoot Mr. C, right?

some people seem really convinced there will be a 4th season based on cooper's i hope i see you all again ref

No season 4 has been confirmed or denied; showtime has said it's up to Lynch basically. The cast has all said they were down for it. But think how long it took to write this one; I wouldn't expect a new one until after 2020 at which time people are getting on in years,including Lynch. I think another Lynch film relating to the series but perhaps unmoored and unbounded by things like plot would be interesting.

I'm mostly going on Lynch's saying he would like to, I've kept that in mind for most of this season. Fenn's eagerness has me curious if she knew there were blueprints for Audrey. It could be a short season.

I was wondering about Final Dossier. I somehow doubt it's going to tie much up.

As soon as I saw Cruise's song being cut short I thought that might upset her. I think that was a mistake.

Did Simon H reveal the "dirt" he had?

Also: if there's a sense in which Richard is the "real person" who dreams Cooper, then Richard Horne has to be understood as part of Richard/Cooper's understanding/anxiety about who he "really" is (as does Bad Coop, as does Good Coop.)

yeah cruise's song cut short was pretty wrong

Age is just a number. Lynch doesn't seem particularly elderly and could easily work into his eighties.

https://www.alternativenation.net/twin-peaks-julee-cruise-calls-finale-slap-face-emperor-david-lynch/

sad

Easy to forget that we saw Jacques Renault (dead) bartending at the Roadhouse. I really want to see more of Audrey's situation.

That was jean-michel renault

Age is just a number. Lynch doesn't seem particularly elderly and could easily work into his eighties.

Lynch is a chainsmoker in his 70s but then again Harry Dean Stanton is a chainsmoker in his 90s so who knows.

Totally missed the Tremond/Chalfont thing with the homeowners and the old lady Laura used to serve.

isn't Chalfont something George or John says in 'Revolution 9'? I swear there's a lyric or a sample of "Chalfont" somewhere on The White Album.

The question I have regarding this whole finale is, how dangerous is it actually to throw a bunch of guns into a deep fryer?

I hadn't noticed until I saw a photo how much the exterior of Judy's Diner looks like the red curtains

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got a huge amount to read this morning and won't get to it soon, just want to add that (having read pataphysician's post upthread) i can see now that alllll the loose ends in this show are a deliberate commentary on the futility of looking for answers to everything. we got caught up in the mystery just like dale did. we got distracted by dead-end clues just like dale did. some of us (including me) failed to see the forest for the trees — in this case literal trees, including the evolution of the arm.

also old lunch & wins otm, dale wasn't all that good at his job in the original series, he just brought a load of authority and focus and positivity to the investigation. yes he sort of found laura's killer in the end, but he wasted heaps of time chasing dead ends and red herrings and abstract/mystical techniques.

Looking forward to hearing from all the people that couldn't watch until tonight.

lol I just realized what Bad Cooper's cage in the Fireman's home reminds me of

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That white horse how Cooper knew "Sarah" worked there?

I'm liking what Adam has been saying about the ending.

Thoughts on Bad Cooper in the burning chair?

The Little Girl Who Lived Down The Lane? Does this mean Laura is some sort of killer who is protecting her privacy?

AA. I'm going to agree with you again (haha!). I'm just about to watch this again with no alcohol and see if I can get my head around this thing.

looking forward to your rewatch impressions jed_. i can't face it just yet tbh!

also quickly want to expand on my last post:

we got caught up in the mystery just like dale did. we got distracted by dead-end clues just like dale did.

in effect we've been roused from the twin peaks universe (it's over, there's no more), and yet some people will still be trying to solve the mystery. that's exactly what dale's doing: he's left the twin peaks universe but he can't let the mystery go.

Charlie threatened to end Audrey's story; Audrey asked which story that was, "about the little girl who lived down the lane?" So I took that to be a reference to Audrey.

Possibly the most perplexing thing for me is Cooper losing young Laura. A lot of people say it's Judy/the evil experiment who taken her. I keep wondering if Cooper was at error at all.
I guess it's Judy who pulled Laura away earlier in the black lodge. Laura can never escape Judy? I like to think the Fireman and his friend created someone who had a fighting chance.

The scene in Sarah's living room is creepy as fuck.

fwiw i just want to add one more thing: imo the ed and norma hook-up was ed's own dream. the way she came up behind him for the snog felt too idealistic, but also the music was strongest when he was in frame. i reckon upon rewatching a lot of the subplots will show hints of people living inside dreams.

otm, i could totally see that. same goes for everything that went down in the RR - it was otherworldly and dreamlike in the way that dreams actually behave - abrupt tonal shifts, complete disorientation, people and feelings and concepts just smashing into each other.

Yeah I could see that too. It feels like cheating to break down the season this way, but it seems like it was a lot of different dreams. Laura's, at the end, according to the most plausible theory. Dale's, most likely, at some point, because of his vision at the sheriff's department. Audrey's, because you know (most of the shit that made no sense and didn't tie into anything else seems to fall into the Audrey cat). Cole's, because we literally saw some of it is his dream. So yeah, fuck it, Ed could be dreaming too

Wait, that weird line about the Mitchum brothers having "hearts of gold" ... are we maybe to think that THEY TOO are manufactured from golden seeds?

If it's all just dreams then why dies anything we've watched over 18 episodes actually matter?

i mean if anything this show thoroughly believes that dreams are not distinct from reality but are connected to the edge of it, so even though i don't think this season can be divided up into the dreams of individual characters (idk it just doesn't seem interesting to me), it would still actually matter yeah imo

i do think the majority of the show took place in a kind of reality as much as the fbi scenes in fwwm take place in a kind of reality, and then the last episode folds up time in a weird way and takes us to a harrowing inexplicable new space beyond reality and beyond the lodge imo

which could also be characterized as a dream

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Did anyone think the scene where Cooper leads Laura away from her Death was an unreleased outtake from FWWM? I really couldn't tell if that was young or old Coop in that scene. Looked like it was young Laura though. I thought I had seen all the missing pieces but may have missed one.

i don't have much to add to what i've read of the discussion. i will say that i'm more than satisfied. i'll take norma and ed getting together being the only open and shut story line. i should have known with them getting such a beautiful ending, nothing else was going to be resolved so easily.

xpost yeah that tripped me up too. i kept asking the friend i was with, who was marginally more sober than i, wtf was going on. i also got a good laugh from cooper greeting the giant tea kettle with a casual 'Phillip?' I had made an off the cuff 'phillip jeffries i presume' joke merely seconds before!