Andy’s vision in the parking lot was him steering Lucy through the hallway to go shoot Mr. C, right?
― mh, Monday, 4 September 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link
some people seem really convinced there will be a 4th season based on cooper's i hope i see you all again ref
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 4 September 2017 20:15 (six years ago) link
No season 4 has been confirmed or denied; showtime has said it's up to Lynch basically. The cast has all said they were down for it. But think how long it took to write this one; I wouldn't expect a new one until after 2020 at which time people are getting on in years,including Lynch. I think another Lynch film relating to the series but perhaps unmoored and unbounded by things like plot would be interesting.
― akm, Monday, 4 September 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link
I'm mostly going on Lynch's saying he would like to, I've kept that in mind for most of this season. Fenn's eagerness has me curious if she knew there were blueprints for Audrey. It could be a short season.
I was wondering about Final Dossier. I somehow doubt it's going to tie much up.
As soon as I saw Cruise's song being cut short I thought that might upset her. I think that was a mistake.
Did Simon H reveal the "dirt" he had?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 September 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link
Also: if there's a sense in which Richard is the "real person" who dreams Cooper, then Richard Horne has to be understood as part of Richard/Cooper's understanding/anxiety about who he "really" is (as does Bad Coop, as does Good Coop.)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 4 September 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
yeah cruise's song cut short was pretty wrong
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 4 September 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
Age is just a number. Lynch doesn't seem particularly elderly and could easily work into his eighties.
― Treeship, Monday, 4 September 2017 20:39 (six years ago) link
https://www.alternativenation.net/twin-peaks-julee-cruise-calls-finale-slap-face-emperor-david-lynch/
sad
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Monday, 4 September 2017 20:39 (six years ago) link
Easy to forget that we saw Jacques Renault (dead) bartending at the Roadhouse. I really want to see more of Audrey's situation.
― flappy bird, Monday, 4 September 2017 20:41 (six years ago) link
That was jean-michel renault
― streeps of range (wins), Monday, 4 September 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
Lynch is a chainsmoker in his 70s but then again Harry Dean Stanton is a chainsmoker in his 90s so who knows.
― flappy bird, Monday, 4 September 2017 21:02 (six years ago) link
Totally missed the Tremond/Chalfont thing with the homeowners and the old lady Laura used to serve.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 September 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link
isn't Chalfont something George or John says in 'Revolution 9'? I swear there's a lyric or a sample of "Chalfont" somewhere on The White Album.
― flappy bird, Monday, 4 September 2017 21:12 (six years ago) link
The question I have regarding this whole finale is, how dangerous is it actually to throw a bunch of guns into a deep fryer?
― MarkoP, Monday, 4 September 2017 21:31 (six years ago) link
I hadn't noticed until I saw a photo how much the exterior of Judy's Diner looks like the red curtains
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 4 September 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/MKooXOMQRD— Darren Franich (@DarrenFranich) September 4, 2017
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 4 September 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link
got a huge amount to read this morning and won't get to it soon, just want to add that (having read pataphysician's post upthread) i can see now that alllll the loose ends in this show are a deliberate commentary on the futility of looking for answers to everything. we got caught up in the mystery just like dale did. we got distracted by dead-end clues just like dale did. some of us (including me) failed to see the forest for the trees — in this case literal trees, including the evolution of the arm.
also old lunch & wins otm, dale wasn't all that good at his job in the original series, he just brought a load of authority and focus and positivity to the investigation. yes he sort of found laura's killer in the end, but he wasted heaps of time chasing dead ends and red herrings and abstract/mystical techniques.
― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 4 September 2017 22:10 (six years ago) link
Looking forward to hearing from all the people that couldn't watch until tonight.
― flappy bird, Monday, 4 September 2017 22:11 (six years ago) link
lol I just realized what Bad Cooper's cage in the Fireman's home reminds me of
http://www.rayman-fanpage.de/ray1_fwc/Pictures/Rayman/DA1.jpg
― Dancing on the Pylons, Monday, 4 September 2017 22:16 (six years ago) link
That white horse how Cooper knew "Sarah" worked there?
― dan selzer, Monday, 4 September 2017 22:19 (six years ago) link
I'm liking what Adam has been saying about the ending.
― Pataphysician, Monday, 4 September 2017 22:28 (six years ago) link
Thoughts on Bad Cooper in the burning chair?
The Little Girl Who Lived Down The Lane? Does this mean Laura is some sort of killer who is protecting her privacy?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 September 2017 22:31 (six years ago) link
AA. I'm going to agree with you again (haha!). I'm just about to watch this again with no alcohol and see if I can get my head around this thing.
― Cake hawn. (jed_), Monday, 4 September 2017 22:32 (six years ago) link
looking forward to your rewatch impressions jed_. i can't face it just yet tbh!
also quickly want to expand on my last post:
we got caught up in the mystery just like dale did. we got distracted by dead-end clues just like dale did.
in effect we've been roused from the twin peaks universe (it's over, there's no more), and yet some people will still be trying to solve the mystery. that's exactly what dale's doing: he's left the twin peaks universe but he can't let the mystery go.
― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 4 September 2017 22:39 (six years ago) link
Charlie threatened to end Audrey's story; Audrey asked which story that was, "about the little girl who lived down the lane?" So I took that to be a reference to Audrey.
― Brad C., Monday, 4 September 2017 22:44 (six years ago) link
Possibly the most perplexing thing for me is Cooper losing young Laura. A lot of people say it's Judy/the evil experiment who taken her. I keep wondering if Cooper was at error at all. I guess it's Judy who pulled Laura away earlier in the black lodge. Laura can never escape Judy? I like to think the Fireman and his friend created someone who had a fighting chance.
The scene in Sarah's living room is creepy as fuck.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 4 September 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link
fwiw i just want to add one more thing: imo the ed and norma hook-up was ed's own dream. the way she came up behind him for the snog felt too idealistic, but also the music was strongest when he was in frame. i reckon upon rewatching a lot of the subplots will show hints of people living inside dreams.
― rove mcmanus island (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 4 September 2017 23:05 (six years ago) link
otm, i could totally see that. same goes for everything that went down in the RR - it was otherworldly and dreamlike in the way that dreams actually behave - abrupt tonal shifts, complete disorientation, people and feelings and concepts just smashing into each other.
― flappy bird, Monday, 4 September 2017 23:12 (six years ago) link
Yeah I could see that too. It feels like cheating to break down the season this way, but it seems like it was a lot of different dreams. Laura's, at the end, according to the most plausible theory. Dale's, most likely, at some point, because of his vision at the sheriff's department. Audrey's, because you know (most of the shit that made no sense and didn't tie into anything else seems to fall into the Audrey cat). Cole's, because we literally saw some of it is his dream. So yeah, fuck it, Ed could be dreaming too
― Evan R, Monday, 4 September 2017 23:21 (six years ago) link
Wait, that weird line about the Mitchum brothers having "hearts of gold" ... are we maybe to think that THEY TOO are manufactured from golden seeds?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 4 September 2017 23:36 (six years ago) link
If it's all just dreams then why dies anything we've watched over 18 episodes actually matter?
― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:03 (six years ago) link
i mean if anything this show thoroughly believes that dreams are not distinct from reality but are connected to the edge of it, so even though i don't think this season can be divided up into the dreams of individual characters (idk it just doesn't seem interesting to me), it would still actually matter yeah imo
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:07 (six years ago) link
i do think the majority of the show took place in a kind of reality as much as the fbi scenes in fwwm take place in a kind of reality, and then the last episode folds up time in a weird way and takes us to a harrowing inexplicable new space beyond reality and beyond the lodge imo
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:09 (six years ago) link
which could also be characterized as a dream
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:13 (six years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/InN2wPF.png
― Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:15 (six years ago) link
Did anyone think the scene where Cooper leads Laura away from her Death was an unreleased outtake from FWWM? I really couldn't tell if that was young or old Coop in that scene. Looked like it was young Laura though. I thought I had seen all the missing pieces but may have missed one.
― Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:16 (six years ago) link
i don't have much to add to what i've read of the discussion. i will say that i'm more than satisfied. i'll take norma and ed getting together being the only open and shut story line. i should have known with them getting such a beautiful ending, nothing else was going to be resolved so easily.
― dynamicinterface, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:22 (six years ago) link
xpost yeah that tripped me up too. i kept asking the friend i was with, who was marginally more sober than i, wtf was going on. i also got a good laugh from cooper greeting the giant tea kettle with a casual 'Phillip?' I had made an off the cuff 'phillip jeffries i presume' joke merely seconds before!
― dynamicinterface, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:25 (six years ago) link
please be specific
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:28 (six years ago) link
xp Michael I'm pretty sure it was present day Kyle and Sheryl in the leading-away scene, lit in a way that made their age ambiguous.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:35 (six years ago) link
Laura walking thru woods with 2017 Cooper seemed to be deliberately out of focus/in shadows when she was facing the camera. May have been Sherilyn Fenn in a wig ? There was something not-quite-FWWM-era about the way she looked.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:36 (six years ago) link
MatthewK beat me to it
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:37 (six years ago) link
Man julee cruise is a nut case
― akm, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:41 (six years ago) link
Meanwhile
David Lynch talking about Twin Peaks & disrupting time in 1995, in Chris Rodley's great Lynch on Lynch book... pic.twitter.com/boWV2LEmWk— Aaron Stewart-Ahn (@somebadideas) September 4, 2017
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:46 (six years ago) link
guess he changed his mind about something other than lunch coming out of it, though.
― you are juror number 144 and we will excuse you (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 02:00 (six years ago) link
The man who has been shot through the head in Carrie Page's house isn't credited. Did the actor look familiar to anyone?
― Cake hawn. (jed_), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 02:21 (six years ago) link
What are people associating 'little girl who lives down the lane' with? I only have Baa Baa Black Sheep (although that's usually 'boy'), but folks seem to be talking about something else.
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 02:32 (six years ago) link
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0074806/
― maura, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 02:34 (six years ago) link
the book:
"It is about a 13-year-old girl named Rynn Jacobs who lives alone in a house, and murders people who threaten her solitary life."
so it's Laura then?
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 02:35 (six years ago) link