Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Totally missed the Tremond/Chalfont thing with the homeowners and the old lady Laura used to serve.

isn't Chalfont something George or John says in 'Revolution 9'? I swear there's a lyric or a sample of "Chalfont" somewhere on The White Album.

The question I have regarding this whole finale is, how dangerous is it actually to throw a bunch of guns into a deep fryer?

I hadn't noticed until I saw a photo how much the exterior of Judy's Diner looks like the red curtains

pic.twitter.com/MKooXOMQRD

— Darren Franich (@DarrenFranich) September 4, 2017

got a huge amount to read this morning and won't get to it soon, just want to add that (having read pataphysician's post upthread) i can see now that alllll the loose ends in this show are a deliberate commentary on the futility of looking for answers to everything. we got caught up in the mystery just like dale did. we got distracted by dead-end clues just like dale did. some of us (including me) failed to see the forest for the trees — in this case literal trees, including the evolution of the arm.

also old lunch & wins otm, dale wasn't all that good at his job in the original series, he just brought a load of authority and focus and positivity to the investigation. yes he sort of found laura's killer in the end, but he wasted heaps of time chasing dead ends and red herrings and abstract/mystical techniques.

Looking forward to hearing from all the people that couldn't watch until tonight.

lol I just realized what Bad Cooper's cage in the Fireman's home reminds me of

http://www.rayman-fanpage.de/ray1_fwc/Pictures/Rayman/DA1.jpg

That white horse how Cooper knew "Sarah" worked there?

I'm liking what Adam has been saying about the ending.

Thoughts on Bad Cooper in the burning chair?

The Little Girl Who Lived Down The Lane? Does this mean Laura is some sort of killer who is protecting her privacy?

AA. I'm going to agree with you again (haha!). I'm just about to watch this again with no alcohol and see if I can get my head around this thing.

looking forward to your rewatch impressions jed_. i can't face it just yet tbh!

also quickly want to expand on my last post:

we got caught up in the mystery just like dale did. we got distracted by dead-end clues just like dale did.

in effect we've been roused from the twin peaks universe (it's over, there's no more), and yet some people will still be trying to solve the mystery. that's exactly what dale's doing: he's left the twin peaks universe but he can't let the mystery go.

Charlie threatened to end Audrey's story; Audrey asked which story that was, "about the little girl who lived down the lane?" So I took that to be a reference to Audrey.

Possibly the most perplexing thing for me is Cooper losing young Laura. A lot of people say it's Judy/the evil experiment who taken her. I keep wondering if Cooper was at error at all.
I guess it's Judy who pulled Laura away earlier in the black lodge. Laura can never escape Judy? I like to think the Fireman and his friend created someone who had a fighting chance.

The scene in Sarah's living room is creepy as fuck.

fwiw i just want to add one more thing: imo the ed and norma hook-up was ed's own dream. the way she came up behind him for the snog felt too idealistic, but also the music was strongest when he was in frame. i reckon upon rewatching a lot of the subplots will show hints of people living inside dreams.

otm, i could totally see that. same goes for everything that went down in the RR - it was otherworldly and dreamlike in the way that dreams actually behave - abrupt tonal shifts, complete disorientation, people and feelings and concepts just smashing into each other.

Yeah I could see that too. It feels like cheating to break down the season this way, but it seems like it was a lot of different dreams. Laura's, at the end, according to the most plausible theory. Dale's, most likely, at some point, because of his vision at the sheriff's department. Audrey's, because you know (most of the shit that made no sense and didn't tie into anything else seems to fall into the Audrey cat). Cole's, because we literally saw some of it is his dream. So yeah, fuck it, Ed could be dreaming too

Wait, that weird line about the Mitchum brothers having "hearts of gold" ... are we maybe to think that THEY TOO are manufactured from golden seeds?

If it's all just dreams then why dies anything we've watched over 18 episodes actually matter?

i mean if anything this show thoroughly believes that dreams are not distinct from reality but are connected to the edge of it, so even though i don't think this season can be divided up into the dreams of individual characters (idk it just doesn't seem interesting to me), it would still actually matter yeah imo

i do think the majority of the show took place in a kind of reality as much as the fbi scenes in fwwm take place in a kind of reality, and then the last episode folds up time in a weird way and takes us to a harrowing inexplicable new space beyond reality and beyond the lodge imo

which could also be characterized as a dream

http://i.imgur.com/InN2wPF.png

Did anyone think the scene where Cooper leads Laura away from her Death was an unreleased outtake from FWWM? I really couldn't tell if that was young or old Coop in that scene. Looked like it was young Laura though. I thought I had seen all the missing pieces but may have missed one.

i don't have much to add to what i've read of the discussion. i will say that i'm more than satisfied. i'll take norma and ed getting together being the only open and shut story line. i should have known with them getting such a beautiful ending, nothing else was going to be resolved so easily.

xpost yeah that tripped me up too. i kept asking the friend i was with, who was marginally more sober than i, wtf was going on. i also got a good laugh from cooper greeting the giant tea kettle with a casual 'Phillip?' I had made an off the cuff 'phillip jeffries i presume' joke merely seconds before!

please be specific

xp Michael I'm pretty sure it was present day Kyle and Sheryl in the leading-away scene, lit in a way that made their age ambiguous.

Laura walking thru woods with 2017 Cooper seemed to be deliberately out of focus/in shadows when she was facing the camera. May have been Sherilyn Fenn in a wig ? There was something not-quite-FWWM-era about the way she looked.

MatthewK beat me to it

Man julee cruise is a nut case

Meanwhile

David Lynch talking about Twin Peaks & disrupting time in 1995, in Chris Rodley's great Lynch on Lynch book... pic.twitter.com/boWV2LEmWk

— Aaron Stewart-Ahn (@somebadideas) September 4, 2017

guess he changed his mind about something other than lunch coming out of it, though.

The man who has been shot through the head in Carrie Page's house isn't credited. Did the actor look familiar to anyone?

What are people associating 'little girl who lives down the lane' with? I only have Baa Baa Black Sheep (although that's usually 'boy'), but folks seem to be talking about something else.

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0074806/

the book:

"It is about a 13-year-old girl named Rynn Jacobs who lives alone in a house, and murders people who threaten her solitary life."

so it's Laura then?

Thanks Maura - I've even seen that, it just didn't come to mind.

- my girlfriend who read The Secret History mentions there's lots of talk of rocket engineer and L. Ron Hubbard's occult sex rituals that were intended to conjure evil spirits.
- the Experiment (Judy?) appears in the glass box when Sam and Tracy begin to have sex.
- the love scene between Cooper and Diane has an almost ritualistic, robotic feel. They seem unsure how to initiate it at first. What they are trying to accomplish I don't know, but Diane disappears afterward, and Cooper is in a different hotel with a different car and a different name.

Sorry, 1st paragraph should have read "rocket engineer and L. Ron Hubbard's cohort Jack Parsons"

The books are perhaps problematic to the 'dream' theories. Presumably Tammy can't write them if Laura doesn't die, but we have them.

(But I think such problems are taking the time-travel element too seriously)

The ending of Back to the Future vaguely horrified me as a kid. I didn't understand why it had this triumphal tone when he clearly fucked up. His real parents were gone forever and had been replaced by these parallel universe analogues. Lynch gets it, though.

I'm now pretty certain Judy (possibly acting through Sarah Palmer) was who/what was talking to Mr. C on the phone in the motel room in season 2. Judy tells him that she (it?) missed him in New York, where she had just been killing Sam and Tracy. There's no one else besides MIKE who would want "to be with BOB again" that badly either, since Judy is the Mother. Philip Jeffries tells Mr. C he already met Judy; he means when they talked on the phone.

This naturally assumes that Judy and "Experiment" are the same entity

it seems 'likely' that judy is the 'experiment' is the 'mother' which births BOB and is very possibly inside Sarah Palmer (although if Sarah is the girl who ate the bug that doesn't really make sense)... but it could all be something else. there is very little in the show to let you know definitively one way or the other.

I thought of the Experiment as something created by the atomic explosion, not as an ancient entity, but I'm not gonna say it's impossible.

I don't think the atomic explosion necessarily created Judy but opened a rift for it to enter.