Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

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hahaha holy shit I forgot about this stunt! Incredible

Not to get all film nerdy but fuggit --- I have the utmost respect and am in awe of filmmakers who do what Lynch does so well: use cinema to poke through to other worlds or interpretations of this world ( much like that cigarette in IE) and be able to shake me up from deep within more often than not. There are only a handful that do that for me and most are long dead.

Has anyone posted yet about how it (well, Odessa) was about the bunny after all? Just a small thing that I doubt is of great significance but quite typical: (includes a photo of a dead bunny, so I'm not gonna embed the tweet)

Jackrabbit Palace too

What is the "unofficial version" Cole will know about?

I was thinking this meant that if Cooper changed history in 1989, Cole will somehow still remember the original?

" the loop closed back to the start of the pilot? The Return indeed."

well it does do that, kind of, but I still feel like what happens after that negates that.

I can't get to a place where I feel comfortable or at peace with the final scene. which is certainly the intention, but has left me feeling somewhat empty.

Jackrabbit Palace too

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, September 6, 2017 6:23 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah absolutely, that just seems more obvious whereas this Odessa thing is more like an, uh, Easter egg

Wow, can't believe Lynch's mindblowing curveball in the finale: It was Coop who booked all those Roadhouse shows

TWIN PEAKS FANS: The original score is iconic

DAVID LYNCH: The Roadhouse is a LiveNation venue. Stay tuned for a new song from The Coldplay

— Eric Allen Hatch (@ericallenhatch) August 4, 2017

i'm not as articulate as some of you about Twin Peaks, and i'm pretty sure some of these points have been mentioned. My thought on the two parter is Dale went back into the past to get Laura and save her from her death, but of course that did not work. What we see is 18 is what would have happened if he she had not died, but of course she still has all of the family trauma/abuse. What I'm not clear about is if that if once she screamed it collapsed the timeline. Anyway, i'm sure i'll get corrected because i know this isn't well thought out

but I think in a way Lynch gives us what would've happened had he "saved her" and it's not really ideal either

Nine Inch Nails, Coldplay, they are basically the same thing

this is really fun btw

https://twitter.com/i/moments/892484281188134912

that's great flappy

Stevie D is messaging me, he just finished the episode where Audrey dances at the end

I told him, “Wait for the finale, all mysteries will be REVEALED!”

hehe

lmao

I had completely forgotten about this other, fake "Mrs Tremond" from season 2 and this entire scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=181&v=Db9to1uazmU

bah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=181&v=Db9to1uazmU

well jsut click it already

Possibly vile of me to post this here and on the Coil thread but I have long been convinced that the Coil and Twin Peaks worlds are strongly related (I mean... at least... consider Trent!)
Anyway, wild to think that Dais Records are unleashing this on the world

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1706649906_10.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpTEc2XcAAhvkd.jpg:large

Also, all the theories about the role of sex magick in Twin Peaks are confirmed by my brilliant observation that Crowley appeared in Part 16 [I'm killin' it with the useful contributions to this thread right now, sorry! Also, like others have, I want to say thank you for all the great discussion in here ❤️]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJFvuxmUwAASn3e.jpg:large

Can't remember where I read it, but I'm kind of tickled by the notion the three Coopers we see in ep18 are him in Heaven (Dougie in Vegas with wife, kid and jungle gym), Hell (Mr C on fire trapped in the chair in the Lodge) and Purgatory (Good Dale doomed to wander through eternity trying to save various flavours of Laura).

Also Baa Baa Black Sheep - once for the Master (Mr C with the Fireman), once for the Dame (Good Dale with Teapot Jefferies - Bowie has been, of course, referred to as the Dame in the British music press since the 80s) and once for the little boy who lives down the lane (Dougie with Sonny Jim). NB I am not entirely serious about this last one.

I noticed that Mr. C is breathing while he's on fire in the Lodge. Hell is right

I have long been convinced that the Coil and Twin Peaks worlds are strongly related

I don't know that this is entirely "correct", but I like the ideas: http://www.waggish.org/2017/twin-peaks-finale/

I came here to post that!

The reddit post linked in that is great too.

The Twin Peaks universe, and therefore Dale Cooper, completely resets. This explains Coop’s altered character and sudden romantic involvement with Diane; the new Cooper never made the trip to Twin Peaks, allowing for his friendship with Diane to develop over 25 years into something much more serious.

This totally makes sense.

(Not been able to join in the finale fun bcz of circumstances, catching up now, it still has me reeling, and all you ppl itt rock irc)

Did anyone else think the shape of the pylons (by the side of the road where Cooper and Diane drove, 430 miles from....wherever) was supposed to the same shape as the owl symbol / experiment / ace of spades?

Simon, if you're still bouncing around itt, I've finally started listening to your podcast this week. You and your fellow contributors are great and are giving me a lot of new angles to chew over.

In that vein, the Lodgers' discussion of Audrey's captivity early in season 2 got me thinking (half-seriously): what if Judy saw Audrey as another potential Cooper-esque nemesis and engineered a number of obstacles that would compromise her agency (e.g. enforced junkie-dom in One-Eyed Jack's, a bomb that left her in a coma, the banal soul vampirism of John Justice Wheeler), culminating in an illusory domestic purgatory?

curious that all of these detailed interpretations are carefully avoiding the significance of wally brando

o-t-motherfucking-m

when lucy said "we haven't seen agent cooper since before wally was born!"

said to myself, "this is the key that unlocks the mystery"

Laura’s subsequent life appears to have been better than her childhood, judging by what little we learn of her, but there is still a dead body in her living room when Cooper shows up.

hmmmm

the dead body is the average Twin Peaks viewer imo

seems about right, he did have his mind blown.

According to the Twin Peaks wiki, the Double R is at the corner of Main and Falls in Twin Peaks.

In Ep 18, as Cooper turns the corner at the Double R, you very clearly see a street sign for Bendigo Boulevard, the street the real Twede's Cafe is on in North Bend, WA.

maybe he has that all inside out. I like the ideas that the final part of 18 isn't some invented world, but the real world, as discussed many times in this thread.

I think our real world is a fake creation of Judy

Ok I bailed on the waggish piece at the point where it refused to acknowledge that the rape actually happened. Even before that it was weaving a convoluted thread that was barely skimming some of the more disturbing moral implications of the show.

tbf the show skimmed some of the more disturbing moral implications of the show (by making leland (and now sarah)) less responsible for their actions)

xp?

is there a second piece, because the one I read implicitly acknowledges the rape

Love that waggish take on the finale

I wouldn't read too much into the North Bend thing - when they had that scene with Mike and the creep, there was an establishing shot of his office that was the main street in North Bend.

Yeah I think it's enough to note that the RR diner looked different.

Also Ike the Spike's motel was obviously in LA, so it's not like there weren't simple continuity errors.

On the other hand one defining characteristic of this show is that everything is up for grabs...

remember that weird flash of the diner at the end of one of the early episodes, where it had a completely different set of people?

I keep seeing this strange idea about that part 17 offers the "happy", "closed" version of the season ending whereas part 18 undoes all that/starts a new story with a bleaker open ending. But the two episodes basically have the same ending! Bad vibes at the palmer house, Laura screams, Cooper is lost and confused, the world spins.

Diane and Cooper now reenact this summoning ritual in order to draw Judy into the Cage. They both know this is the plan; while they both care for and love each other, this act of sex is anything but an act of love. Both are joyless. Cooper is dispassionate throughout, but remains focused on Diane with an expression of restrained concern. Diane tries to be affectionate but collapses into terror and tears, covering Cooper’s face and staring up at the ceiling.

This is where I got off. I suppose that could be read as an implicit acknowledgment, if that's the part you mean. But it's too schematic for me, and tone deaf to what the actors are portraying.

Lynch is a fucking brilliant director of actors. The further an interpretation of his work gets from talking about what's hidden, diverted, revealed in their performances, the more it falls flat for me. That said there were some concepts I liked, like Laura being a kind of capacitator. But trying to tie it all together just on a plot or thematic level like that is more appropriate for a Christopher Nolan movie, where the performances basically don't matter.

this is the very next line...

None of this is unexpected to them. This was the plan all along. The suffering that Diane (and to a lesser extent Cooper) endures is a product of her having sex with the man who raped her. She knows it is going to be a traumatic experience: she sees her double outside of the motel because she is already dissociating at the prospect of having to sleep with Cooper, even though he’s not that Cooper. Cooper tells her to turn out the light in the hopes of sparing her some of the trauma, but it’s an empty gesture. He is guilt-ridden with the sins of his doppelganger.

lol ok thanks, my bad

That's such an incredible piece and that part is particularly affecting. I don't understand your objection, Sciatica.