Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

"on one hand, peter doau is an self-aggrandizing idiot, on the the other hand I could have started my own podcast you know"

the march to restore internet sanity

like what % of that 65 mil was really jazzed about it

actual answer to this question is "the large majority" fwiw

actual polls consistently showed that less than half of clinton voters were "very enthusiastic" about voting for her, which was lower than trump and much lower than obama's two elections

it's hard to really pinpoint the importance of the enthusiasm numbers but we should at least get the facts right when we talk about it

lol whiney's whas gif

obama is a hard act to follow so comparisons would've been stacked against any candidate or hypothetical campaign she could have run. i liked her campaign, and judging by 'the polls' at the time it seemed others did too. i guess i have learned i should discount my own personal feelings about a campaign much more heavily, in particular i can see how many people view her as an elitist scold in an Al Gore kind of way, and that she didn't do enough to distance herself from that (hard to imagine what she could have done but...) i also learned that sticks are not that useful as the fear of president donald trump didn't seem to do jack shit, and so candidates should more aggressively court the coalition they're going for

Obama definitely a hard act to follow but Hillary has always been unpopular for a number of reasons. Besides reflexive sexism, she's always come off as an insincere & calculating robot.

i can see how many people view her as an elitist scold in an Al Gore kind of way, and that she didn't do enough to distance herself from that (hard to imagine what she could have done but...)

well exactly, that's how she comes off. which obviously has little impact or relevance re: her qualifications & competence in the job as POTUS. screwed by the beer maxim

O's '08 campaign ads also referred to her as duplicitous and untrustworthy iirc

Let's not forget that HRC & her campaign started the birther rumors by leaking those pics of Obama in 'African garb' to Drudge during the primaries in the spring of 2008

imo she would have been a compromiser in chief, getting all kinds of things done but we would have been constantly angry about the caveats attached to every single bill

it's not duplicity as much as a sort of self-defeating pragmatism that results in nice speeches that cater to specific audiences ultimately leading to actions that end up giving many groups a little bit of what they wanted, at the expense of a few things they may not have wanted to give up

Obama was a lot more likely to flat-out tell people "I'm not going to get you everything you want, but I'll try to get you what you need" which is insanely non-duplicitous but somewhat self-defeating in practice

xp idk man, I don't buy that hrc started birther rumors. circulating the photo of Obama in somali clothing was vile; it was obviously an attempt to "other" him and was totally indefensible. Nevertheless he was an adult in the picture, it was totally shitty but I don't buy that it was the beginning of birtherism.

Trump amplified & escalated it, but that was the seed. That was the first time people questioned his citizenship, his "allegiance," his religion. Yes, he was an adult in the picture. Remember that most Americans are not very smart & won't connect the dots on that one. After seeing that picture, it's not that insane to believe he's some kind of Islamic double agent - if you're a right-winger. It was abhorrent, vile, and so so so selfish.

Trump was not the primary driver, he was just unable to let it go

Yeah and he got nonstop media coverage in 2011 for it. I mean, it was so bad the fucking Obama admin was more or less forced to release a copy of his birth certificate.

He was the primary driver in the sense that "birtherism" might've died off or been relegated to the land of other insane right-wing conspiracy theories, like that Obama is a gay coke-sniffing prostitute. But without Trump's media blitz, Obama never would've released his birth certificate.

fair

We can't say "Hillary started the birther movement" because some shitty campaign volunteers shared a photo . It was disgusting to see that narrative get pushed during 2016 so right wing people people could evade having to defend Trump's birtherism or "anti-anti Trumpism"

We can't say "Hillary started the birther movement" because some shitty campaign volunteers shared a photo

This is a leap. What makes you think this was some rogue? They knew what they were doing. I agree, it was frustrating that it would come up in a "what about" sort of way, but maybe she shouldn't have fucking done it in the first place. She allowed the right to do "many sides" on that one. and fwiw, I didn't see that many people referencing the 2008 Drudge photos last year. Seemed to me like most people forgot it ever happened.

There's no indication it was authorized. We can't pretend it was because we hate Hillary. I mean I hated her 08 campaign for a lot of reasons. You could say her response to the question if Obama was born in this country "as far as I know" possibly fed that...maybe idk.

But I saw lots of "what about" undercutting everything the 2016 campaign. She gave a speech on the rise of the far right and I had to see people supposedly mad at her now for losing either make fun of it or go "what about the crime bill??!" at the time.

I remember reading one of the 2008 campaign postmortems that said it was authorized. I'll look for a link.

You could say her response to the question if Obama was born in this country "as far as I know" possibly fed that...maybe idk.

wtf of course that fed it. the only sensible answer to that question is "Yes." any equivocation is an attempt to imply he's a foreigner/double agent/whatever.

Wtf at the idea that the American people needed a photo of Obama in African garb before they could think of him as 'other'. That's not how it works.

Birtherism worked because he is black because people are racists. Not because they'd seen a photo in 2008.

All dirty campaign tricks that rely on racism work because people are racists.

Fred, leaking a photo like that to Drudge - the most widely read news site in the Beltway and certainly by the rightwing - is just doing overtime for the other side. It was indefensible and yes I would argue planted the seed of the idea of Obama as secretly Muslim/not American. You could say the Reverend Wright controversy had a similar effect, but Fox et al. weren't bringing him up much after 2008.

I have black friends, but a guy in somali garb is really black and foreign!!

First of all, it's a stupid argument. As I said, nobody needed a photo to conclude that the black guy is un-American. That's how racism works. Second of all, it's ahistorical. The Muslim rumors were there before the photo. It's just wrong. Leaking the photo was still indefensible - and there's no indication it was authorized - but don't take the blame off the right to attack Hillary.

Fred you are defending it.

ha ha Hillary also stayed in the primary race until June 2008 because Obama might've been assassinated:

Hillary Clinton today cited the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy during the 1968 presidential campaign to explain why she was remaining in the race despite long odds.

"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California," Clinton told the editorial board of a South Dakota newspaper. " I don't understand it," Clinton added, alluding to the calls for her to quit.

“Earlier today I was discussing the Democratic primary history and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns that both my husband and Senator Kennedy waged in California in June 1992 and 1968 and I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nomination primary contests that go into June. That’s a historic fact. The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy and I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation, and particularly for the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that, whatsoever. My view is that we have to look to the past and to our leaders who have inspired us and give us a lot to live up to, and I’m honored to hold Senator Kennedy’s seat in the United States Senate from the state of New York and have the highest regard for the entire Kennedy family.”

Honestly, a huge part of the reason a foreigner like me thinks he has something to contribute to American political threads is because the bar is so low. The stupidity, the falsehoods, the lack of willingness to do just the bare minimum amount of research.

what is inaccurate or stupid about what flappy bird posted

thank you for always delivering the perspective of the clinton PR machine to americans. that poor machine only communicates through every major news media source over here whenever it wants, and as you know ilxors only get their news through podcasts and ironic tweets

instead of focusing on the things she's apologizing for, we need to be focusing on the apologies. and the clinton campaign has made a lot of good apologies

She never said she would stay because Obama might get assassinated. She said she thought it was okay to stay in the contest in June, because it had happened before, after all, Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June. And that's quite simple to fact check.

lol

it was a stupid and tactless comparison to draw, and the clue is in the fact that she felt the need to apologize for it

I'm gonna need to see a Verrit code on that one.

Xp

it was a stupid and tactless comparison to draw, and the clue is in the fact that she felt the need to apologize for it

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), 8. september 2017 22:30 (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I agree. That's not what flappy bird claimed, though.

Hillary Clinton definitely says a LOT of stupid and tactless shit, btw. No denying that.

well no wonder you like her so much then

i think i just had a seizure reading that fred post

She never said she would stay because Obama might get assassinated. She said she thought it was okay to stay in the contest in June, because it had happened before, after all, Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June. And that's quite simple to fact check.

― Frederik B, Friday, September 8, 2017 4:21 PM (two hours ago)

there has to be some sort of translation issue here or something. or you're a bot

Peter Dane

I can't tell which thread to stick this shit into anymore, so here 'tis: Daou now posting blog entries about how they only gain strength from the haters.

Verrit’s Launch Sparks a Digital Mob Attack — And a Surge of Signups

...What these frightened attackers fail to understand is that this community is unfazed by the torrent of hate. In fact, the attacks further validate Verrit’s purpose. Over the course of a few days, the Verrit community has coalesced, with tens of thousands of followers and email signups. To the great distress of its detractors, Verrit is here to stay, reflecting and representing the dignity and pride of those who fought harder than anyone to protect America from the forces of bigotry and lawlessness.

I picture him dictating that post to his phone while wearing a Guy Fawkes mask.

I sort of wonder if Daou is intentionally trying to work an angle where he says stupid things that incur disdain and mockery, and then uses that backlash to promote himself and stoke the resentment of his supporters, like a centre-left Milo? Or is he just a touchy weirdo? (or both?)

Pretty sure he's just a touchy weirdo.

https://theoutline.com/post/2207/the-strange-life-of-peter-daou

from his dance-pop career:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_FThlNAa-Y

@CHAPOTRAPHOUSE @ByYourLogic @virgiltexas @deep_beige @cushbomb @willmenaker I couldn't stop thinking about the Episode 139 dream office. pic.twitter.com/7kk9Sjprah

— Jon White (@JonWhiteBriefly) September 10, 2017