Hillary Clinton just said 'delete your account' on twitter to Trump and the internet exploded. What (old) meme should she use next?

I mean, look no further than Joy Ann Reid, Joan Walsh, Neera Tanden, Peter Daou, Sady Doyle, & others using "alt-left" before & after the election. And then - just like "Fake News" - their own stupid slur got used against them by Trump.

Obama never cared about the DNC; he didn't need it for his elections. And here we are.

maybe when they hit 50k paid members we should give them a dedicated thread but a growing majority of the DSA membership are too radical to settle for being a left pressure group forever

sorry, xp to myself

DSA as a group nurturing candidates and endorsing them is useful because they have strong policy stances and advocating for candidates that share those values is good.

There are other groups that friends have dealt with that are less policy-based and more invested in teaching people how to run for office, and how to work around established channels that are also ascendant right now. Because the traditional channels are just so stagnant.

Obama never cared about the DNC; he didn't need it for his elections. And here we are.

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, September 7, 2017 1:36 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Exactly. The main failure of Obama, as far as party politics went, was he didn't want to dirty his hands with them. Ideally he would have gutted the DNC, as is the prerogative of a democrat president. But he had his own effective organization that stayed separate.

Organizing For Action is much less of a presence than I wish it was, but I will give them credit for doing what their name implies. Every email message has had a distinct "this is the issue, here is what's happening, here is who to call/where to vote/what to do" pattern. The most I've gotten from most of the DNC (or the DCCC, which is another tangle I can't unravel) is "this is bad, you should know it's bad."

A lot of people who enthusiastically voted for Corbyn's programme would self-identify as liberal or liberals without being classical liberals or economic liberals or ostensible 'progressives' with a kind of bourgeois indifference to structural inequalities. Any leftish vision that doesn't have social liberalism (the kind that really matters*) at its heart is useless in modern Britain. This shit matters because social liberalism is currently under attack from *within the left*, by which I don't mean a few twatty Vice journalists or jaunty Twitter Marxists but by the miserable state of our immigration 'debate', including within the Labour Party and the guff coming out from the likes of Paul Mason in recent months. So it does piss me off when I see people using 'liberal' as a reductive pejorative without thinking.

I suppose the old liberal-conservative binary reflected a world where the big economic questions were broadly seen as 'settled' and the dividing political lines were on social issues. Equally useless in a post-financial crisis world, and maybe Clinton found herself on the wrong side of that historical divide.

*Of course we're through the looking glass now where economic liberalism is being dismantled from the right and what's coming will probably be worse, we might be nostalgic for it before too long.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 7 September 2017 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It doesn't really matter whether people identify as Liberal or Tory or whatever. By casting a vote for Labour at the last election all these people were voting for a more left-wing programme than we've had in a long-time. Again, that programme would not have been produced by Chuka Umunna or Yvette Cooper. The left vision has the socially liberal and progressive wihtin it to me. Last time I checked I didn't see Paul Mason wholly speaking for the left.

The most grown-up talk from any politician on immigration comes from Diane Abbott, on the left, who has been elevated to a position where she can speak and be listened to on this issue in a way that would not have been possible if Liberals were at the top of Labour. You'd have Jess Philiips instead, who is rn sipping tea in Jacob Rees-Mogg's castle. This castle -- along with Sixtus' crib -- will hopefully be nationalised in the next Labour government.

"I mean, look no further than Joy Ann Reid, Joan Walsh, Neera Tanden, Peter Daou, Sady Doyle, & others using "alt-left" before & after the election. And then - just like "Fake News" - their own stupid slur got used against them by Trump."

I'm not a fan of any of those people but the idea that Trump got "alt-left" from any them is one of them is extremely silly. Hannity was using it all the time. It's open ended term that could obviously mean lots of thing. Also are we calling "fake news" a slur? A lot on the left were maybe overly dismissive of the concept when we know it's a real thing that can at the very least be recognized as a factor in what happened.

People were dismissive of the fly by night fake blogs because the articles did not look like real news (that is, vetted traditional media sources) to anyone who understood what a newspaper looks like or actual television reporter sounds like. When Trump and company started using the phrase, it was targeted at the exact opposite: traditional media outlets that he disagreed with.

So yeah, "fake news" as used by Trump is a slur, the actual thing it was referring to prior to him appropriating it as doublethink was completely false crap churned out for clicks or by actual propagandists

Yeah I get that distinction. My point was taking issue with what I quoted (which disregards that distinction in a nonsensical way and seems to blame democrats for calling out fake news as a problem for why Trump started using it.

well in the initial WaPo piece in late November 2016 where they first pushed "Fake News," they included The Intercept as an example. It was a dirty term to begin with.

But of course Trump amplified it

as an american idiot, i would like to learn about how other countries perceive american politics and how their own politics are influenced by it

― flappy bird, Thursday, September 7, 2017 6:01 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're in for a wooooorld of hurt tbh

9/11 anniversary coming up iirc

http://www.theonion.com/article/clinton-already-working-follow-book-casting-blame--56870?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing

lmao

mh did you actually write "democrat party"?
Gtfo forever

Yes it was clearly a dogwhistle to appeal to ILX's many conservatives

Oh solved then

ime 99% of rl uses of democrat party instead of democratic party is due to awkwardness of the latter / brevity of the former and the speaker/writer doesn't even know about the derogatory implication

https://pics.me.me/its-an-older-code-sir-but-it-checks-out-quiekmeme-com-24511126.png

ime 99% of rl uses of democrat party instead of democratic party is due to awkwardness of the latter / brevity of the former and the speaker/writer doesn't even know about the derogatory implication

that may be true for 99% of ilx uses, but come on, in the real world it's something conservatives say all the time to puff up their chests

i've never actually heard a conservative irl say "democrat" w/ an infliction that suggested that meant it derogatorily

They've probably never heard it a different way

lmao @ going after pixelatedboat of all people as the symbol of leftist twitter

Me, a cooler ant researcher (smoking a cigarette): I see things like this all the time. This is normal to me. https://t.co/p3ZeEakksv

— Pixelated Boat (@pixelatedboat) August 30, 2017

*to the tune of Saturday Night's Alright For Fighting*
🎶Anime, anime, anime/
Anime, anime, anime🎶

— Pixelated Boat (@pixelatedboat) May 30, 2016

pixboat is the best twitter btw

classic forever for

The whole internet loves Milkshake Duck, a lovely duck that drinks milkshakes! *5 seconds later* We regret to inform you the duck is racist

— Pixelated Boat (@pixelatedboat) June 12, 2016

There's another site where you can go to for this kind of stuff, I forgot what it's called though

Fetlife?

Pornhub?

Tumblr. Wait. Genius dot com. No. Ends with an er.

http://twiddler.com/

Verrit..er?

Holy shit. This made it into this (now corrected) Guardian article: https://t.co/3NLDnLTA63 (Hat tip to @LorneFranks who screencapped it) pic.twitter.com/Gbh6q4MOwC

— Pixelated Boat (@pixelatedboat) January 25, 2017

lmao @ going after pixelatedboat of all people as the symbol of leftist twitter

sorry, that was me and I was just going off that one tweet quoted above my comment, I don't actually have any idea who pixelatedboat is but if they're the creator of the milkshake duck joke they're undeniably classic on at least some dimensions

Democrat party
Democratic party

I mean. This is a flashpoint?

Ye wonder why yere fucked.

demoRAT party

I'd apologize for my lack of a copy editor for the fiftieth time but I'm stuck here wondering if apologizing for my malapropism use will rescind my gtfo order

Alan... I'm sorry

I'd also like to say I'm sorry.

Some would consider being ordered out of a Hillary meme thread a blessing

i've never actually heard a conservative irl say "democrat" w/ an infliction that suggested that meant it derogatorily

― Mordy, Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:14 PM (yesterday)

have you ever watched a political talks how? Conservatives revel in it. It's a mixture of "beatnik" and "bowel movement."

i did say irl

Conservatives revel in it.

Proves once more that the schoolyard practice of saying any word scornfully enough turns it into an insult. "Oh, so your daddy is the president of a bank, huh?"

what an interesting example you've chosen