Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

Now that I am a showtime subscriber (for how long who can say, I guess for as long as I want to rewatch these), I happened upon the last 10 minutes of S17 last night, and the notion of the scene with Sarah stabbing the photo and the very end of S18 occurred to me as taking place at the same time. There have been a few of those moments throughout the series, and this one would actually make some sense.

anyway i'm with you flappy b

yeah seriously. and a lot of the syncs mentioned in the piece are really interesting & not strained at all. and when the author doesn't have answers or explanations, at least they acknowledge it.

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that merch is fucking terrible. and to think years ago all I wanted was a twin peaks sherrif's office mug (and couldn't find one).

tbf I've generally stayed away from hot takes - I've read a couple other people have posted/forwarded to me and don't get much out of them beyond the occasional detail I may have missed but I haven't found any convincing "grand unifying theory" like there was with Mulholland Drive. Generally these takes seem like a mishmash of strung together observations and some occasional off-the-wall theorizing/far-flung hypothesizing.

Personally I'm wary of anything that strays too far from the text. Like in the link above where they start bringing in all the Parsons/Crowley/Anger sex-magick stuff - none of that is ever directly cited in the series itself imo.

I'm still stuck on not realising the Lucy thing is a punchline tbh

xp parsons is a character in frost's book

but don't you enjoy that there ARE parts that sync up really well in an interesting way?

not really, because this is literally true of ANYTHING, ergo it is not interesting. Take any two pieces of media and pair them and you'll be able to find odd synchronicities or juxtapositions. this has more to do with our own mental wiring than anything else.

parsons is a character in frost's book

did not know this! maybe I'm alone in not considering the frost books, "Laura Palmer's diary" etc. canonical (or important)

yeah, working at a video store and syncing up Air Bud movies with Worship and Sunn0))) albums cemented this for me lol xp

loool

I mean, fine. There are no bad theories. I accept that. But... I don't know... there are

haha

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but did you slow the Air Bud movies down Simon, you have to run the tapes at half-speed to *really* get the full effect

we actually did lol

lol Simon

nothing quite like when a golden retriever reaction shot syncs up with a 40bpm snare hit

personally i love reading through all these theories even if none of them are (or can be) The Theory. after my initial watch of inland empire i dug into a bunch of wild theories and it made rewatching it sooooo much fun

― Karl Malone, Friday, September 8, 2017 8:43 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

100% otm. And I've never experienced anything like it. This is the only, sole show, for which this rings true. I love both the close reads and the batshit insane theorems, as equals.

supposedly the cardboard stand-ups that Showtime has been selling were kind of a gag -- if you ordered an Agent Cooper one months ago, they sent you Dougie

"Sent Dougie"

even if it was a one-off or someone was sent the wrong item, I find that hilarious

i guess the reason the syncing seems more plausible in twin peaks is because of the series' themes of overlaps, parallel dimensions and planes, different personalities emanating from the same characters, doppelgangers, a map of the show that is literally an infinity symbol, the reusing of certain footage in different episodes, the repeated use of meta-references (like cooper trying and failing to exit out of the white lodge through a socket labeled 3 in part 3, only to be pushed to use socket 15 and finally transforming from dougie to coop in part 15, along with some other symmetrical features that i've already forgotten about. i'm just saying, with all of that in mind, it doesn't seem far-fetched that lynch would edit two scenes in a way that references each other. it's a little bit different than air bud making a great pass at the same moment that two instruments in an epic Sunn O))) musical passage "pass off" a riff between two instruments or whatever. the doubling/syncing thing is embedded into the entire twin peaks experience in the first place

I hear if you watch The Return and The Wizard of Oz at the same time, every "Who's Judy?" lines up with Judy Garland appearing in a scene

(like cooper trying and failing to exit out of the white lodge through a socket labeled 3 in part 3, only to be pushed to use socket 15 and finally transforming from dougie to coop in part 15

see now this is the kind of minor detail that I didn't notice that is interesting to see cited. I don't think it literally means all that much in the larger context of the show but it's a funny meta detail.

there's lots more compelling stuff in that super long medium post - it's worth considering, even if the episodes aren't literally meant to be played simultaneously. I think you can just take it as the events in the episodes sync up, which many ppl itt and elsewhere have already noticed.

I feel like my mind is constantly, intuitively making crazy connections to other parts of twin peaks and other works of art while I'm watching but this sort of thing does nothing for me. It's like counting the number of vowels in Ulysses and checking if it's divisible by the number of consonants in the waste land.

haha yeah there's something to forced about it, mechanical

too forced

I wrote a piece about the structure of The Return being like the internet. Hyperlinked, too many connections. It fits in with the horror being obviously digital effects. They are kinda caught in the net, the same way FWWM seemed to be about people caught in a tv show.

Did you sync the show up to a gif

It's like counting the number of vowels in Ulysses and checking if it's divisible by the number of consonants in the waste land.

Maybe, if the subtitle of Ulysses was "An Eliot Divided", there was a chapter where Stephen Dedalus unlocks a mysterious door by solving a riddles involving the number of crossed t's in a famous poem, and Joyce peppered the rest of the book with references to inter-literary counting puzzles.

Twin Peaks, and Lynch's oeuvre as a whole, is STEEPED in this kind of stuff, symbols, secrets, and self-referential connections. I can see not wanting to engage in it yourself, but it's weird to me to frown upon others doing it.

i like the owl ring

Are they selling Truck You shirts?

@shakey & wins
the show invites this kind of speculation and interpretation. there are obviously clues & things to piece together - I don't understand how Cooper going for the 3 socket but getting thru the 15 detail is somehow more legitimate than noting the parallel structures of 17 & 18. fine if you're not into it, but to draw arbitrary lines around what is what isn't "interesting" is silly. I don't get being so dismissive of others' theories/discoveries/observations.

Feel like the Crowley sex magik stuff may be an instance of Frost's and Lynch's interests diverging as the show made the transition from page to screen. Because the sex as filmed does seems like it had an overt ritualistic function at some point, but as filmed it's more naturalistic (even Janet/Dougie) and keyed into the actors performances, more representative of where each character is at emotionally.

The sex as written and staged seems like it was meant to be ritualistic at one point, I mean.

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/david-lynchs-haunted-finale-of-twin-peaks-the-return

That's a good piece.

So I wrote near the top of this thread that I couldn't stand Rebekah Del Rio's No Stars when it came on in part 10, but I'm relistening to it on the official OST and oh my god it's fucking incredible.

xp holy shit yes (re RDR song)

Also - since "Just You" on the songtrack is the recording from S2 (http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/twin-peaks-the-return-james-marshall-interview.html) - it's actually Donna's / LFB's only appearance in The Return.

Would anyone be interesting in a poll of the roadhouse performances? They're just all so damn great

yes! definitely. i've been revisiting them in isolation & liking them a lot more.

it'll make me angry, so it is essential

The soundtrack album is great too, even if I'm compulsed to immediately hit skip once Shart Dressed Man comes on

*sharp, not shart lol

I think I will have an ear-to-ear grin every time I hear that song for the rest of my life tbrr

Btw the soundtracks are missing quite a few tracks on Spotify, eg no just you, no vedder

ty josh

LMAO @ Shart Dressed Man