Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

That's a good piece.

So I wrote near the top of this thread that I couldn't stand Rebekah Del Rio's No Stars when it came on in part 10, but I'm relistening to it on the official OST and oh my god it's fucking incredible.

xp holy shit yes (re RDR song)

Also - since "Just You" on the songtrack is the recording from S2 (http://www.vulture.com/2017/08/twin-peaks-the-return-james-marshall-interview.html) - it's actually Donna's / LFB's only appearance in The Return.

Would anyone be interesting in a poll of the roadhouse performances? They're just all so damn great

yes! definitely. i've been revisiting them in isolation & liking them a lot more.

it'll make me angry, so it is essential

The soundtrack album is great too, even if I'm compulsed to immediately hit skip once Shart Dressed Man comes on

*sharp, not shart lol

I think I will have an ear-to-ear grin every time I hear that song for the rest of my life tbrr

Btw the soundtracks are missing quite a few tracks on Spotify, eg no just you, no vedder

ty josh

LMAO @ Shart Dressed Man

more like zz plop

shitty gibbons

np kurt. I actually like the song and i think it sounded great in the show, it's just a very awkward fit against the likes of no stars, lark, mississippi, etc.

anyhow here it is the Twin Peaks: The Return roadhouse performances poll

i'm gonna be honest, i didn't get lucy's cell phone line either

i mean, i get that it was a callback to her confusion about cell phones earlier, i just didn't understand in the moment or now why she said that just then.

The New Yorker article is good but I can't help rme a tiny bit about the way that the final goal of every film critic writing about everything seems to be to somehow get to "you see IT'S A WESTERN"

The joke of the cell phones line is that she had just taken the call from Cooper on his way to the station while Cooper was in the office - because Lucy is unusual, this actually clarified her understanding of communication and space and whatever instead of causing extra confusion as it would for anyone else

It's a smart inversion of the classic lynch uncanny mystery man I'm at your house freakout, also just great for there being 13 episodes between setup and punchline

OK now I see, I literally hadn't remembered that there was a cell phone call from Cooper to the sheriff's office earlier in the episode

No no, good Coop was on cell while bad Coop was in the room, to Lucy this made perfect sense whereas the Sherriff being on cell as he walked into the building in ep 4 blew her mind.

Isn't that what I just said?

one reading (here?) is that she was an innocent who didn't understand technology until she fired a gun and killed someone and is now like the rest, ruined by technology and violence.

sorry wins, something short-circuited in my brain there, disregard please

Did anyone link the theory on waggish.org yet? I like that one despite a few paragraphs that suggested the author misunderstood the characters.

discussed at length upthread

I can't get over/unsee

http://store.sho.com/imgcache/product/resized/001/451/022/catl/twin-peaks-the-dougie-t-shirt-174_1000.jpg?k=dafaaf2e&pid=1451022&s=catl&sn=showtime

I sometimes think of Coop as patripassian now

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJM5zaCXYAAkJei.jpg:large

I wrote a piece about the structure of The Return being like the internet. Hyperlinked, too many connections. It fits in with the horror being obviously digital effects. They are kinda caught in the net, the same way FWWM seemed to be about people caught in a tv show.

― Frederik B, Friday, September 8, 2017 9:26 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Frederik, my Danish is a bit rusty, but is this online somewhere? Would like to read it.

Rescreening S2 for as long as I can stomach it, there's a scene in S2E3 with Shelly in the Twin Peaks Sheriffs Office talking about taking Leo home from the hospital when he's healthy enough (as per Bobby's prompting).

About halfway through her plea to Truman, Cooper interrupts to quickly dismiss her and show her the door.

Truman is aghast, and asks Cooper why and Cooper replies "Insurance money".

Echoed again in Dougie's terse "He's lying" in S3?

Could someone repost the Mulholland Drive Winkies Hot Dog gif, please?

For those who read French there's an excellent piece in this weekend's "Libération" newspaper with additional thoughts from Bertrand Bonello and others.

Karl et al: I take the point & will try not to pour cold water over any crackpot speculations :-)

Here you go jed_

sorry mr. lynch pic.twitter.com/ZICATyxBwP

— Chris Person (@Papapishu) July 12, 2017

Frederik, my Danish is a bit rusty, but is this online somewhere? Would like to read it.

― Le Bateau Ivre, 9. september 2017 16:19 (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://pov.international/kinok-amerikanske-dromme/

It's really only half a piece. The other half is about Logan Lucky, and the conceit being about how American indie cinema has changed since the late 80's.

I've been thinking a lot about the scene in Part 1 where we first see Lucy and the Sheriff's Department. A big, sweaty, blotchy nervous looking band walks in and asks for Sheriff Truman and Lucy replies "Which one?" He's totally thrown off and doesn't know what to say. Lucy keeps repeating "It could make a difference." Finally the guy gives up, gives Lucy a card, and says "Tell him it's about insurance."

love reading this thread, but have avoiding commenting because feel there is a heirarchy of who's right/wrong here, sad to say. has been addressed upthread tho

yes i'm right and everyone else is wrong

i think the guy in episode one was just there to help establish that harry truman is sick.

"it's for insurance"

the people Ross feels are right are, in fact, wrong

the other people otm

Few things. Haven't seen them covered but I stopped reading posts itt tbh.

Dunno if we can say definitively if/when coop truly fucked up, but can't help feeling that Bob escaping dead bad cooper before ring was put on him is significant, and not for a second do I think that Cooper's Twin Peaks level is completed when gray Bob cloud shrapnel floats up through the ceiling after a few hulk glove smacks.

TP level coop moves on-as do we from 'Twin Peaks'-as soon as naido removes her mask to reveal Diane, whence coops face is a background to the end of level cutscene where it's a big goodbye to our friends from this story throughout.

Think that it's as likely as anything else that Richard is actually the base person, and any other character portrayed by KML is a splinter in a mindspace or whatever.

And lastly, I wasn't really feeling the 'different realities' as something concrete at any stage, but bad coop being zod-imprisoned in the theatre and thence commuted to TP seemed to me as clear a clue as any I'd seen that the TP we had experienced to that point was a containment-zone or gameboard type environment. Whether that means only characters we've seen moving between lodges etc are real and the others are regens or whatever, I'm not particularly tied to.

Fwiw, felt 18 was a copout and 17 was a fanservice. Hasn't spoiled any of 1-16 for me but I don't feel a particular need to make the finale fit where it doesn't, either logically or emotionally/symbolically. All credit to lynch for the ride, but he couldn't finish it and I'm not convinced there's even Mulholland drive levels of coherency at play here.

on the whole, this entire series was the least fan servicey it could have been and still been called Twin Peaks.

Disagree, there was plenty

Not where you'd necessarily expect it, and not certainly ito main plot focus, but both threads have called out numerous and significant examples.

Don't think I've ever seen a show where the creator's awareness of the viewers expectation/speculation was so much to the fore, for good and ill

Lucy being the one that shoots Mr. C was v fan servicey & I appreciated it v much

there were a lot of ways this series could have gone and I expected very little of what I saw. I think I'm going to bow out of the discussion of what constitutes fan service and what doesn't because I find it annoying. I very much appreciated this approach.

my stupid podcast got linked on the criterion blog and now I request a tranquil, solitary, satisfying death

:-)

Well-deserved imo.