True, but most of the games weren't close (only four or five one-run games I think?) so Miller wouldn't have made much of a difference.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 16 September 2017 10:52 (six years ago) link
Kluber's had one not-that-good start since May 2 (in that one he gave up 4 ER/9 H in 6.1 IP vs the ChiSox, though he also only walked one while striking out 12.)
― nomar, Sunday, 17 September 2017 21:21 (six years ago) link
hard to choose between him and sale for cy young
― k3vin k., Sunday, 17 September 2017 21:24 (six years ago) link
i would have said Sale til a month ago but it's Kluber now i think. almost as many IP as Sale despite missing a month (and Sale not missing any time), lower WHIP, lower ERA, lower BAA, much higher bWAR (though curiously a much lower fWAR), plus 5 complete games and 3 shutouts to 1 and 0 for Sale.
also, Kluber has one more win. ; )
― nomar, Sunday, 17 September 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link
he's within 1.0 fWAR after today's game. sale's FIP is a bit better because of all the strikeouts, but is maybe getting some home run luck -- kluber has the better xFIP
― k3vin k., Sunday, 17 September 2017 21:50 (six years ago) link
They've still got 2-3 starts each, so things could change, but today, I'd definitely vote for Kluber. Sale's been up and down since the break--awesome starts mixed in with poor ones. Kluber since he returned from the DL:
ERA - 1.77, .171/.209/.283 opposition slash line, almost a 10-1 K/BB ratio. And that's not counting today's start. Also: dominant during the winning streak.
― clemenza, Sunday, 17 September 2017 22:14 (six years ago) link
does anyone else stay up at night feeling bummed about how kluber started too late to be a HOFer
― qualx, Sunday, 17 September 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
he should do a DBZ fusion with cliff lee then they'd both get in
― qualx, Sunday, 17 September 2017 22:34 (six years ago) link
This gives Sale 4.9 runs of support, Kluber 5.4...I wouldn't give that a lot of weight without knowing how the runs were distributed.
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/stats?season=2017&category=PITCHING+II&group=1&sort=2&time=0&pos=0&qual=1&sortOrder=1&splitType=0
― clemenza, Sunday, 17 September 2017 22:44 (six years ago) link
Kluber leads in bWAR 7.1 to 5.9 (which doesn't include yesterday's start).
Sale's durability (= his big lead in IP) was maybe his biggest advantage over Kluber, but that's pretty much gone. I think it's Kluber's award to lose now.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 18 September 2017 07:48 (six years ago) link
https://www.mlb.com/indians/fans/miniteam
― mookieproof, Monday, 18 September 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
Kluber's bWAR is now 7.9
― nomar, Monday, 18 September 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
greatest stretch run in baseball history?
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 21 September 2017 06:11 (six years ago) link
I guess it depends how you define it. Their division title was not in serious doubt before the 22 streak, so one might favor a team that came from behind, like the '51 Giants or '69 Mets. (Both went 39-11 in their last 50 and made up deficits; Indians will likely do slightly better, but always were in first place.)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 14:47 (six years ago) link
2007 rockies finished 13-1 to force a game 163 against san diego (in which matt holliday never touched home plate)
― mookieproof, Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:04 (six years ago) link
yeah, that was in the back of my mind... didn't the Angels blow a big lead vs Seattle in the '90s?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:10 (six years ago) link
it was '95, but that was more an Angels collapse (12-27!) than an M's stretch run.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:14 (six years ago) link
95 mariners were 12.5 back on august 20; they went 25-13 and the angels went 12-25 to force game 163.
nice run, but that feels more like an angels collapse (they actually had to win their last five just to get to 163, after a 7-25 stretch)
xp indeed
― mookieproof, Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
it would probably be rude to mention the 2007 phillies
― mookieproof, Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:31 (six years ago) link
that falls under Collapse and u know it
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 16:01 (six years ago) link
'78 yanks went 52-21 to force a one-game playoff
tribe needs to go 4 and 6 the rest of the way to match that, which seems pretty doable
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 September 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
so, really 53-21 :)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link
best adjusted team ERAs of integration era pic.twitter.com/QgdywjJGrX— Jeff Sullivan (@based_ball) September 20, 2017
Over the Indians' past 28 games, Francisco Lindor has hit .352/.431/.750 with 11 HR, 6 2B, 2 3B, 25 R, 27 RBI and more BB (14) than K (11).— Jordan Bastian (@MLBastian) September 21, 2017
― mookieproof, Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link
Show Hey O'TawnyDoes mainstream media underrate the Indians pitching staff? Fangraphs is the only place I’ve seen call them the best pitching staff of all time, even though most of the WAR says so
Jeff Sullivan
I think, in general, people don't have a great mental grasp of how pitching has evolved. When you think about the best staffs ever, you tend to focus on the starting rotations. The other thing about the Indians is they're so deep they *never* give the ball to a bad pitcher
For the sake of argument, let's compare the Indians to the Braves from 1993 - 1999That is, combining all those years
Braves starters had an ERA- of 77. The Indians starters have an ERA- of 79But Braves relievers had an ERA- of 87. Indians relievers have an ERA- of 65Maybe the Braves had more Hall-of-Famers. The Indians are better from top to bottom, because every pitcher on the staff counts
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/sports/baseball/cleveland-indians-chief-wahoo-logo.html
chief wahoo is going away! (in 2019) (and only from players uniforms, not from merch sold in the stadium) (and the team is still called the indians)
― na (NA), Monday, 29 January 2018 17:48 (six years ago) link
not good enough, obv
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 January 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
sounds like manfred has the right idea, though
But over the past year the commissioner of baseball, Rob Manfred, has pressured Paul Dolan, Cleveland’s chairman and chief executive, to make a change.Citing a goal of diversity and inclusion, Manfred said in a statement provided to The New York Times that the Indians organization “ultimately agreed with my position that the logo is no longer appropriate for on-field use in Major League Baseball, and I appreciate Mr. Dolan’s acknowledgment that removing it from the on-field uniform by the start of the 2019 season is the right course.”
Citing a goal of diversity and inclusion, Manfred said in a statement provided to The New York Times that the Indians organization “ultimately agreed with my position that the logo is no longer appropriate for on-field use in Major League Baseball, and I appreciate Mr. Dolan’s acknowledgment that removing it from the on-field uniform by the start of the 2019 season is the right course.”
not good enough, but better than nothing, or outright hostility (see the washington catheads)
― Karl Malone, Monday, 29 January 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link
not good enough obv but i'm relieved that they are finally doing something
― marcos, Monday, 29 January 2018 18:04 (six years ago) link
it will take decades if not more though for wahoo to disappear from cleveland entirely. i'm convinced there will still be some dive bar in parma, oh in 2118 that will keep its giant wahoo light-up sign above the bar
― marcos, Monday, 29 January 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
them still being able to make money off of the logo is pretty gross
― na (NA), Monday, 29 January 2018 18:11 (six years ago) link
yea
― marcos, Monday, 29 January 2018 18:19 (six years ago) link
Now we get to be met with the spectacle of idiots protesting a baseball team because it isn't sufficiently racist anymore.
― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Monday, 29 January 2018 19:13 (six years ago) link
Finally: The Indians Are Replacing Their Racist Mascot Chief Wahoo With A White Woman Wearing A Native American Halloween Costume https://t.co/HIzE3nkI50 pic.twitter.com/4WRfTDBbqQ— ClickHole (@ClickHole) January 31, 2018
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 31 January 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link
you wonder how some promo ppl function daily
http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2018/04/16/mlb-pulls-chief-wahoo-jackie-robinson-caps/
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 April 2018 15:09 (six years ago) link
Am I doing this right. pic.twitter.com/yAfvncQJx8— Sung Min Kim (@sung_minkim) April 19, 2018
― Andy K, Friday, 20 April 2018 01:33 (six years ago) link
BE SCARED, RED SOX AND YANKS FANS
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 00:59 (five years ago) link
Also, that play that just got overturned was some bullshit.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 01:01 (five years ago) link
Encarnacion got this 30th home run for a seventh consecutive season the other night. Don't know how many times seven has been reached, but Wikipedia has a list of eight consecutive seasons and that's pretty rare: 18 players, most from the PED era. Most are either in the HOF or would be absent PEDs; the only clear non-HOF'er is Teixeira, Delgado (in that PEDs have nothing to do with him not being in--I'd call him borderline, not clearly not qualified), and (arguably) Sosa.
Unless he has some unforeseen Ortiz-like finish he's about to spring on us, Edwin will not be going into the HOF. (I bet there are some relatively ordinary names who also did it seven times...I'm not trying to diminish what he's done, and I remain a big fan.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 13 September 2018 23:12 (five years ago) link
You what's pretty amazing? Encarnacion has stolen 61 career bases in 74 attempts, an 82% success rate. So he's a better base stealer than Rickey Henderson (81%), though not as good as Tim Raines (85%). I have to reconsider his HOF case.
― clemenza, Thursday, 13 September 2018 23:29 (five years ago) link
Just as he was when he was traded from Cleveland to Boston, Victor Martinez was very emotional after the Indians honored him as he enters retirement. #Indians pic.twitter.com/hPUmvybmmZ— Hayden Grove (@H_Grove) September 15, 2018
― Andy K, Saturday, 15 September 2018 22:26 (five years ago) link
Kipnis' 1000th hit:
Getting your 1,000th career hit? Awesome.Doing it on a walk-off grand slam? Even better.(via @SportsTimeOhio)pic.twitter.com/yWRska8hUl— Sports Illustrated (@SInow) September 20, 2018
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 20 September 2018 03:05 (five years ago) link
If you'd asked me, I would have said "That's been done before" (and probably would have proceeded to name one of the '70s Mets teams).
http://www.mlb.com/news/indians-1st-club-with-4-starters-with-200-ks/c-295641546
― clemenza, Sunday, 23 September 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link
https://www.mlb.com/news/indians-1st-club-with-4-starters-with-200-ks/c-295641546