Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

I thought this conversation between Liz Ryerson and Joel Bocki was a really nuanced and wide-ranging early response to The Return as a whole, especially around issues of gender and trauma. The first hour focuses on Twin Peaks and Lynch's work in general, the second focuses on The Return:

https://archive.org/details/beyondthefilter18theworldoftwinpeaks_joelbocko

*Joel Bocko, that is

fuuuck I really should have thought of the editing gag they did on the discourse collective episode

have a lot of trouble listening to podcasts that are just two men expressing themselves poorly

or even three men

I still don't know what you're talking about

lol sorry neither do i, was talking about the discourse collective thing

Ah got it, haven't heard that one yet - Bocko (one of the four) is usually p eloquent

i should admit that i generally have a terrible time listening to podcasts bc i unconsciously zero in on speech patterns and get frustrated when people are struggling to complete their thoughts and i'm like "the word you're looking for is (x)." bocko's great in video essay format, i have a tough time with him on podcasts (probably, again, my problem)

'Dougie & Me' on CBS w/ @Kyle_MacLachlan & @joshfadem pic.twitter.com/WExO9wC4VA

— Skeleton Realm (@SkeletonRealm) September 21, 2017

I don't remember seeing this pop up here:

https://i1.wp.com/68.media.tumblr.com/ca95b5cef0664b283dc14405135703a2/tumblr_ovk1xggTW11qaraieo1_1280.jpg

i should admit that i generally have a terrible time listening to podcasts bc i unconsciously zero in on speech patterns and get frustrated when people are struggling to complete their thoughts

this is at least in part a byproduct of the fact that most people don't properly edit their podcasts and IT DRIVES ME INSANE (not that I am meticulous with every episode lol)

Belated props for The Lodgers on that score, Simon: always felt really well produced, tight and good sound.

Last ep of lodgers, in particular, was A++++++.

You all really went deep on the meaning of the finale, hitting on a lot of points that I had barely considered.

That beyond the filter podcast might be a little too rambling for you guys then but I thought it was great (otoh I stopped listening to the discourse collective one)

In other news: wtf is this horseshit

"Confront evil. Back it down. Put it in a corner and never despair. It's not superhuman; it's less than human." https://t.co/dxOwJy6Ipl

— Mark Frost (@mfrost11) September 21, 2017

Well coop as we know him was kinda retconned out of existence so...

i'm listening to the last lodgers episode and it's very good, great job simon

kate's mind is like a steep trap

I was pretty damn impressed by her analysis on this one.

I've already broke my post-finale comedown resolution to avoid weak stuff.

Must remember the comedown.

Co-sign on the last Lodgers being super super good

brad I'm going to quote you on that complete with typo

thx to you all - hoping to do one more episode but kate is really busy with that fancy school stuff

It's certainly the smartest thing about TP. Everything else is of based, divorced from artistic understanding.

That was probably meant to be (based) something about basic plot stuff?

So weird to see that I was apparently listening to the last Lodgers episode yesterday alongside everyone else. It truly was a thing of beauty. Y'all's general level of analysis is up there with the Wrapped in Plastic stuff I've read and the Little White Mask blog (which I've weirdly seen no one but me reference but which is pretty great). You've opened a number of investigative avenues I hadn't previously considered.

brad I'm going to quote you on that complete with typo

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, September 22, 2017 6:22 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

literally only just noticed the typo, wow

A steep trap is very difficult to escape from, perhaps even moreso than one made of steel.

Like an ant lion.

It's slippery in here

I don't agree with Trump on much, but I fully endorse his travel ban on Chad.

https://25yearslatersite.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/twin-peaks-recap-episode-5-0006-1497301577-640x358.jpg

over on the billy joel thread i think we just found the ur-text that explains a lot of what's going on

"I've been watching you waltz all night Diane
Nobody's found a way behind your defenses
They never notice the zap gun in your hand
Until you're pointing it and stunning their senses"

goddamn

Tommy (Ronnie Gene Blevins) the loan shark who meets Janey-E in park (E06) is found dead in Carrie's house // Univers (E18) #TwinPeaks2017 pic.twitter.com/yod04wv7dz

— SAgentDaleCooper (@DaleCooperBack) September 25, 2017

whoa is that right

huh

mark frost "liked" it on twitter is that a confirmation?

kind of leads me into the whole meta-narrative angle, where Twin Peaks is a tv show for us so reusing bit actors when they're in completely different contexts is no big deal, but as a fictional universe there are only so many locations and people in TP so seeing the same man in a different context is about as trivial

i don't really think it means anything but it's interesting that no one noticed until now (if it's true)

now if either one of the characters was David Lynch in a wig....

whaaaat

i guess it could be important if it suggests that similarities exist between the laura palmer world and the carrie page world

tough dame

lol of course it's not meaningless, even if it's just another example of elements of alternate realities/timelines bleeding into each other

just another example of elements of alternate realities/timelines bleeding into each other

this is how I take it. In the final episode Cooper is just in yet another parallel version of reality where identities/roles are jumbled up

if I saw Kyle Maclachlan on the street I'd get the same feeling tbh

Phillip? #twinpeaks pic.twitter.com/IAUrfzJ9Pk

— Kyle MacLachlan (@Kyle_MacLachlan) September 27, 2017

i met kyle m the other day at a wine tasting and he was a little buzzed and it was very dougie-ish

Did you speak to him much?

i actually did! he was chill af. i met lynch the same day and was rushed through like a jailhouse food line.

would love to go to a kyle m wine-tasting. love that walla walla terroir