Yeah the show here in Jan was awesome, they still got it, well worth seeing them.
― 65daysofsugban (Trayce), Tuesday, 12 May 2009 09:47 (fifteen years ago) link
demo of a new song: http://throwingmuses.cashmusic.org/
― joe, Sunday, 24 January 2010 20:59 (fourteen years ago) link
sweet! thanks!
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Monday, 25 January 2010 02:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Throwing Muses raw studio feed on Vimeo. "unedited video of throwing muses in stable sound studio, portsmouth, ri, usa...january 2011"
― you think you're cool, but you read ick (Phil D.), Saturday, 8 January 2011 20:40 (thirteen years ago) link
!!!! amazing
― surm, Saturday, 8 January 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Yay in the studio! Let's see which Muses are in there.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 8 January 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Kristin, David and Bernard... very good.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 8 January 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
according to kh's twitter, they finished recording today: "loose ends tied up in the studio, everybody's going home...sad but, a year and a half in the making, the record sounds exactly as it should"
― joe, Saturday, 8 January 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yea i just saw that! lovin it hard
― surm, Saturday, 8 January 2011 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link
So what is essential listening in your expert opinions?
― ENBB, Thursday, 10 February 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
real ramona was my intro to them, which i think is a good midway point betw. the early/late stuff.
― tylerw, Thursday, 10 February 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
1st album, Chains Changed EP, The Fat Skier are all great
other people might rep for House Tornado or the later stuff, but for me it's all about those first three (and "Fish" of course, a comp track).
― sleeve, Thursday, 10 February 2011 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
The first, self-titled album is essential.
― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 10 February 2011 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Real Ramona is the only Throwing Muses album I know. I rep hard for her solo album "The Grotto" and everything she's done with 50 Foot Wave. 50 Foot Wave is fucking massive.
― Damo Suzuki's Dead Parrot (kkvgz), Thursday, 10 February 2011 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
would recommend House Tornado, one of my favourite albums of all time. as powerful as the debut, but in a more contained way - they took off the razor sharp edge. the debut IS essential listening though, and the EPs already suggested are similarly high quality.
Real Ramona is a good entry point for some, cause it's as about as big and colourful as they get without being dull. Late period albums (University, Limbo, second s/t) all solid but less remarkable than the early stuff. Avoid the awkward middle years (Hunkpapa, Red Heaven) until you get to know them better
― verhexen, Thursday, 10 February 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link
ST first album is one of my all time favourite records.
― Bonnie Tyler The Creator (Doran), Thursday, 10 February 2011 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link
e - I know that for a while, she would have a good selection of free/tipjar mp3s on her website. I dont know if she's still doing that, but it would be worth checking out.
― Damo Suzuki's Dead Parrot (kkvgz), Thursday, 10 February 2011 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I have to say start with the first album. It is them at their rawest core. Perhaps I'm biased because I've been into them since they began and hearing the debut and the Chains Changed ep just did my head in completely at the time.
― Senor DingDong (Trayce), Thursday, 10 February 2011 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link
HeWon't ride in cars any moreIt reminds him ofBlow jobsThat he's a queer
...such a strange song.
skip Hunkpapa, but dl 'Dizzy' - it is a jam
seconding s/t, rr & esp. the Chains Changed EP
I still need to hear Fat Skier
― frankly, mr. cankly (Pillbox), Thursday, 10 February 2011 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Ugh I hate "Dizzy"!
― Senor DingDong (Trayce), Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Well no not hate. But I dont like it.
― Senor DingDong (Trayce), Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't mind dizzy but it seems like time has been unkind to it
will agree with everyone saying real ramona and the debut
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― michel four lokault (donna rouge), Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
not too soon >> everything else tanya donelly ever did
― down in the eustachian tube at midnight (electricsound), Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Nar I prefer her on "Reel"!
― Senor DingDong (Trayce), Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
"Fat Skier" is a really good ep btw. Especially "Soap and Water", which is a delightfully schizy scattershot jam.
― Senor DingDong (Trayce), Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link
"This is my house, roll out the red carpet/hogs head on a ragdoll/never was a little girl"
― Senor DingDong (Trayce), Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait thats Garoux des Larmes. Anyway.
"Low Red Moon" was the best song Tanya ever recorded, you pack of trolls!
― unregistered, Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
The order you first hear these things makes a big difference; I heard House Tornado before the debut and the latter always seemed kinda grey in comparison, like its muted cover. I sort of forgot about it for years. HT still sounds perfect and powerful but the debut I only really rediscovered thanks to reading Rat Girl last year, and it's incredible.
The received wisdom on Hunkpapa is that it's stymied by airless, flat production cos there are certainly some great songs in there, kinda writhing to get out (kinda hanging on his sleeve).
The Real Ramona has dated a fair bit to these ears. Red Heaven better than I thought it was on release. The subsequent records all have their moments, but nothing to touch the thrill of S/T-Chains-Fat Skier-HT.
I will happily listen to/read anything Kristin puts her hand to.
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:21 (thirteen years ago) link
I was surprised to learn lately that "The Letter" (from Hips & Makers) was originally a Throwing Muses song written in 1984-5. so it's not so much a recollection/reliving of her past as it is an immediate expression of anguish. the recording I heard (from a 1985 radio session) is a 7-minute-long VU drone, but the sound quality is awful.
does anyone know if the bootleg of early ('83-'84) Muses demos is any good?
― unregistered, Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow thanks guys. I don't know how I never got into them earlier but this is sort of a newish discovery for me even though based on stuff I've listened to and loved throughout the years I should have been a fan for a long time by this point. Thanks for all the input. Will check it all out.
― ENBB, Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link
never heard those early demos, would be interesting. there are some live recordings spanning 1989-2009 at archive.org - http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=(collection:ThrowingMuses%20OR%20mediatype:ThrowingMuses)%20AND%20-mediatype:collection&sort=datethink there's 50 foot wave and hersh solo stuff too.
― tylerw, Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh I've heard some of (all of?) the early demos when they had that other member who played keyboards. Some of it was utter cheese! Like, nothing at all like what was to come - just clumsy 80s home pop band.
― Senor DingDong (Trayce), Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link
you also definitely want to listen to both Kristin Hersh and Tanya Donelly's solo work. at the very least, Crooked and Sunny Border Blue for Kristin, and Lovesongs for Underdogs for Tanya
― katherine, Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks, tyler (xxp)! that's a lot to take in. there are some early Muses recordings here, including the early demos (which I haven't heard), a live set from 1986, and some early acoustic versions of tracks from their s/t.
in terms of recommendations I second their first two albums and The Real Ramona (I really like the way the guitars sound on that one). Kristin's solo album Hips & Makers and Belly's Star are also essential.
― unregistered, Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:30 (thirteen years ago) link
oh cool thanks right back atcha. real ramona has a real early 1990s college rock sound, but in a good way imo.
― tylerw, Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
"Dirt is on the Floor" is the one I'm thinking of. It wasnt even K singing I dont think?
― Senor DingDong (Trayce), Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah see that's the thing I am a fan of their solo work and loved Belly too. For some reason I just never really went as far back as TM. shrug. Changing that now.
― ENBB, Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link
unregistered - I love Star and King.
― ENBB, Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link
it's amazing!
― ENBB, Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:34 (thirteen years ago) link
The production of University is a real hindrance to an otherwise excellent, harrowing collection of songs.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link
what's wrong with the production on that record? too guitar heavy? i liked it the last time i played it.
― tylerw, Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I dunno, I love it an' that ("Not Too Soon"), but I recall seeing TD play "Green" on that first Belly UK tour and, I swear, there were grown men with tears in their eyes. And the song was only six years old at that point, you'd have thought it some half-a-lifetime-away nostalgic rush or something.
Real Ramona is 20 years old this month. Good grief.
― Michael Jones, Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
tylerw, it's too...dry? Monotonous?
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link
― Senor DingDong (Trayce), Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:14 (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Soap & Water is alltime for me also
I quite like how ~thick~ University is but it is so so different to anything they did from say 88 or before, I'm not surprised ppl were prickly about it
― look its not that you listen to metal its that youre a bellend ok (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, it seemed to be their "we're a ROCK band" record to some extent, but i dig it. Narcizo sounds great on it. And Hersh's vocal on "Shimmer" is scary good.
― tylerw, Thursday, 10 February 2011 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link
― Senor DingDong (Trayce), Thursday, February 10, 2011 3:28 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark
Wow I never knew that their 1st 7" EP was a legit release! Why has this not been put out on CD?!?! yeah the one keyboard-based song is awful but it has The Party, which is total spine-tingling amazement.
― sleeve, Friday, 11 February 2011 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah yes thats the one! Thats right, I remember being staggered that "Santa Claus" was so old. It sounds really creepy on that ep, very cracked and raw.
― Senor DingDong (Trayce), Friday, 11 February 2011 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link