Fall 2017 Happy Families Are Alike. What Are You Reading Now?

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Standard English feels natural to me, and I'd rather have my characters clearly communicate what they need to than have them transform into broad slapstick stereotypes. Of course, what I aim for in my writing is not what everybody else does - when vernacular is done well it's excellent to read, I just don't necessarily see it fitting in to the type of work I'm writing now.

Btw LG my bro told me you were doing a Creative Writing MA as I'm hoping to get onto one next year (like most of my plans this totally might not happen, though). How are you finding it in general?

emil.y, Friday, 29 September 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link

i think when i say standard english feels unnatural and stifling it's mainly because my interior monologue is in a strong glasgwegian vernacular a la a james kelman novel and i live in north america and so spend every day of my life speaking in a forced and uncomfortable standard north american english with a softened accent and altered vowels and writing is a pleasurable hobby so i want to be able to let my freak flag fly when I'm doing it

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 29 September 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link

it's not that i don't like vernacular - i actually do for sure. it's not really how i want to write, though if i am writing about a character then i'd want them to speak authentically. it's more just over-egged vernacular bothers me, i mean in finished, massively critically acclaimed books. i prob wouldn't censor yourself in any way at the beginning - p much all writing is awful forever until a 100 edits make you think "hmm i don't despise every part of this". not that i'm in a huge position of experience.

Btw LG my bro told me you were doing a Creative Writing MA as I'm hoping to get onto one next year (like most of my plans this totally might not happen, though). How are you finding it in general?

yeah he mentioned this - i just did orientation this week so not even had a lecture yet but so far i feel good about it, it already feels like being in safe hands, in a way just getting in feels good, but also having a syllabus and a general plan. feel free to mail if you want any info once i'm more up and running.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link

I've moved on to the third and final fat volume of Heimito von Doderer's "The Demons". I think it might be really, amazingly good but I might need to read it again to be sure and I have no idea when I'll be slowly tackling the 1300 or so pages again. If one of you could have a quick run through it and let me know that would be great.

Tim, Monday, 2 October 2017 12:51 (six years ago) link

Andre Aciman - Harvard Square
Marianne Moore - Observations

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 2 October 2017 12:59 (six years ago) link

I saw a copy of "Demons" last time I was at skoob and...I just couldn't #growingUp

xyzzzz__, Monday, 2 October 2017 13:58 (six years ago) link

'Course you can.

Tim, Monday, 2 October 2017 14:16 (six years ago) link

I have a few pages left in Courtesans and Fishcakes. It has been an interesting (for me, at least) excursion, although it affects to be promoting a somewhat controversial perspective on these aspects of the culture of classical Athens while merely stating the broad conclusions any casual reader of classical literature and history would arrive at by taking the most obvious route.

Apparently Foucault has promoted some opinions contrary to those given here, and such is his prestige in academe that openly disagreeing with Foucault's theories requires taking a defensive posture. This leads the author into some tedious restatements of his own views that weaken the book simply by making it more repetitive than it needed to be.

Anyway, this book introduced me to a form of gambling popular in Athens that I hadn't encountered before: quail-tapping. It involved drawing a circle on the ground, placing a quail within the circle, tapping it on the head, and the wagers were won or lost depending on whether the quail retreated or stood its ground. I swear this is the exact description of this pastime, as given by a respectable classical scholar.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 2 October 2017 22:54 (six years ago) link

Tim - yeah probably. Just reflecting on a year in which I've read little.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 3 October 2017 10:28 (six years ago) link

Primo Levi - Ist das ein Mensch?
Apparently Levi said that his year in Auschwitz was in colour whereas the rest of his life was in black and white. His meticulous plain description of the life in the concentration camp is quite unbelievable. There is hardly any hatred in his words. I am glad I came around to reading this classic.

Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 10:41 (six years ago) link

brilliant book.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 3 October 2017 11:05 (six years ago) link

Aye, it's extraordinary.

Reading Sarah Moss's Names for the Sea. It's about a year spent in Iceland with her family, during which she worked at the university in Reykjavik. Ach, I dunno. It's beautifully constructed and she wears her learning lightly, but it's the voice of privilege and I find myself bristling at her moaning and wanting her to actually *do* something with her time. (She's constrained by having her family with her, yes, and I've lived abroad in similar circumstances (minus the family) and understand the paralysis to a certain extent, but still.) I've been glancing at Auden's Letters from Iceland as well, and lord knows his is the voice of privilege as well, but Auden is doing, doing - it's a diary of movement; Moss's is a diary of stasis.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 15:33 (six years ago) link

Meant to bring up Kevin Barry myself after reading Beatlebone, imagining John Lennon's late 70s visit to his island off the west of Ireland, while on holiday - best novel I've read in ages. Intrigued to know if Deems has read it - largely set around Achill afaict. Had tried City of Bohane a few years ago but found the oirish noir-ish prose a bit overipe.

Also read Steve Erickson's Shadowbahn - surprised there hasn't been talk of it round here - a very ILxy novel, imagining Jesse Garon Presley materialising as a gonzoid rock critic at Warhol's Factory in the late 60s, and the twin towers reappearing in the South Dakota badlands sometime in the 21s century. Unfortunately even as a longstanding Erickson fan, I thought it was rubbish.

Stevie T, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 15:48 (six years ago) link

found the oirish noir-ish prose a bit overipe.

yeah this is sort of my criticism upthread. as i say tho when he's good he is amazing - lots of people influenced by him in ireland and not really as good. i might try beatlebone - tho i dunno if the subject matter would put me off - i don't like when music comes up in the short stories.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link

"City of Bohane" is the only book of his I read and I found the Mad Max gone culchie dialogue a bit cringey at times. I enjoyed a lot of it though the story didnt really go anywhere in the end imo. He has a good essay on living in Cork somewhere on the internet that I really liked.

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link

I am now reading Dark Money, Jane Mayer, because even though I've known the broad outlines of the plutocratic counter-revolution since what seems like forever, I expect this book to bring the whole sordid story into sharper focus at a much higher level of detail than what I've picked up here and there over the decades. I am sure that my hatred of the Koch brothers will be stoked to a pure white flame.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link

"City of Bohane" is the only book of his I read and I found the Mad Max gone culchie dialogue a bit cringey at times. I enjoyed a lot of it though the story didnt really go anywhere in the end imo. He has a good essay on living in Cork somewhere on the internet that I really liked.

i guess with our own it's a mixed bag of prejudices and stuff, but i would read the short story collections. some parts annoy me but when he's good he's brilliant and it is moving the irish voice forward i guess. also sometimes it is fun to read about some mad fucker speeding out of gort in a hitachi van.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 23:25 (six years ago) link

Natsume Soseki - Light and Darkness. I can turn pages on this quite easily, familiar as I am now with Soseki's deceptively light style (basically I am kinda scanning for moments where the internal anguish is revealed...I don't think he has ever written anything like Kokoro which is one of my favourite reading experiences, making it somewhat unlike the rest of his work).

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 5 October 2017 13:45 (six years ago) link

Don't quite know what I thought of Artful - it's the story of the narrator dealing with the death of her partner, used to frame a series of academic lectures on literature, written by said deceased partner. Some of it is invigorating stuff, but they jump from point to point so quickly, and at some point the puns and references just start to feel like showing off?

Now on Ruy Castro's history of bossa nova. Cool to find out the majority of the big Bossa players started out in a Frank Sinatra fan club!

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 9 October 2017 10:52 (six years ago) link

my book club's book was Paula McLain's Circling the Sun, which is terrible. McLain had success with rewriting Hemingway's a moveable feast as a novel, and she followed it up with this book which rewrites a memoir Hemingway liked, west with the wind by Beryl Markham, turning it into a novel. i checked markham's book out, and it's actually a fun collection of adventures, marred by some racial thinking and a "what is africa?" intro. mclain turns her into a passive protagonist just trying to eke by. also on the hunt for some man meat, including a passion for karen blixen's out of africa boyfriend. (markham's book only has a short chapter on him, on his death.)

Einstein, Bazinga, Sitar (abanana), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 08:03 (six years ago) link

I finally finished Jurgen Osterhammel's Transformation of the World. If a thousand-page, dense tome written at a fairly abstract level in occasionally jargony academic prose but offering a panoramic view of how the world changed during the 19th century sounds like your kind of thing, then you could do worse than this book. Probably the best thing about it is the fairly even-handed depiction of colonialism, which was a major fact of the 19th century globally speaking.

o. nate, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 01:30 (six years ago) link

Would make an ideal Christmas gift ... er ... probably not ...

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Rrsngm7hL.jpg

Tom's Tits Experiment (Tom D.), Friday, 13 October 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link

Perre Michon - Winter Mythologies and Abbots. Spent most of my evening in a pub reading this, and its the first book I finished in weeks. Amazing on a sentence-by-sentence level. The way he treats myth and God reminds me a little bit of Joseph Winkler - a catholic modernism.

Read it too fast and rather too excitedly so will return to all of this at some point in future.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 October 2017 11:39 (six years ago) link

poor old nono, say his name to me these days and i'm humming 2 Unlimited to myself for hours afterwards

mark s, Saturday, 14 October 2017 11:52 (six years ago) link

My name on twitter dot com is based on one of his compositions, he is GREAT!

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 October 2017 11:58 (six years ago) link

Graham Greene - Our Man in Havana
W.D. Snodgrass - Selected Poems

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 October 2017 11:59 (six years ago) link

poor old nono, say his name to me these days and i'm humming 2 Unlimited to myself for hours afterwards

He did get something of a *kicking from all sides and so kept away from Darmstadt for yonks thereafter, so poor old Nono in way, tho not so poor as poor old Maderna who fell from being one of the Big Four to being regarded by many as a 'conductor who composes'. (*there is suspicion in some quarters that this was more down to Lachenmann's German translations than Nono's original words).

Tom's Tits Experiment (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 12:18 (six years ago) link

Friend and I did used to refer to 'a luigi' at work being something with which you immediately took exception to ('x annoying person will be coming to the pub' in the DMs would usually see a pic of luigi posted as a response).

Reading a few things:

Maurizio Lazzarato - The Making of Indebted Man. I approach people talking about debt very warily, because the philosophic or religious approach to it has been responsible for a lot of evil and bad thinking. This is not evil or bad thinking, though perhaps unsurprisingly, i do think he overdetermines on debt somewhat. An example might be where he says commodity fetishism has been completely replaced by the 'transaction of trust' that is credit - effectively trust, and a person's spirit has become the commodity here. Well, but commodity fetishism helps drive personal debt, and that's a simpler explanation? The idea metastasises beyond its useful ambit. That said, there's a lot of OTMFM in here as well. Not sure this thread is the place to explore it, but I'll try and put my thoughts down somewhere more appropriate. One note - is there really any excuse for either the original title or the translation having this 'indebted man' thing? I realise that going into the past 'man' may be said to have a more universal meaning, but i'm not sure even that is without contention, and certainly now there can't really be any excuse for not having 'person' there. That's at least partly because we may need to distinguish when a pathology is particularly suffered by men, and there's some room for ambiguity.

Jane Gleeson-White - Double Entry, a history of double-entry book-keeping. This is *excellent*, full of rich and interesting detail. I had no idea, for instance, about the abbaco schools (only really discovered to historians in the '60s apparently):

Fibonacci’s Liber abaci spawned an alternate education system to the Latin-based monastery schools of Italy: the abbaco schools, intended for the sons of merchants, who were taught Hindu–Arabic mathematics and learnt to read and write in their native tongues, an innovation that would encourage both the codification and standardisation of the vernacular languages of Europe, and the demise of Latin as the language of scholarship.

Gojko Adzic - Bridging the Communication Gap A work thing really, but there's plenty of food for thought for the faster u fuckers thread, and the style of the range of productivity, process optimisation, and self-help biz books has become sort of interesting to me. Like many of these sorts of books, it's well written enough for what it needs to do and is relaxed and thoughtful about its suggestions and dictates, and although you won't convince me there isn't an underlying sickness to it al, this one is freer of that sort of sensation than a lot of others.

Also started but haven't finished because i'm reading that sort of muck, but am looking forward to continuing:

Antonio de Benedetto - Zama
Kate Briggs - This Little Art, a small treatise on translation amongst other things. I started it and it seemed delightful, so I put it to one side when I could properly give it my proper attention.

Also read The Last Samurai again. it's still delightful.

Fizzles, Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link

I finished Dark Money yesterday. The overall picture it painted was familiar enough, but many of the details were gobsmacking and Mayer was able to connect various obvious trends that are not so obviously connected, such as the Citizens United decision and the growing incoherence of Republican politics.

Now I have started reading Brunelleschi's Dome, Ross King, about building the first domed space larger than what the Romans were able to achieve. It is admirably clear in its prose and brisk in its pace.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link

Just on the double entry bookkeeping book - Fibonacci’s 1202 treatise Liber abaci (‘ Book of Calculation‘) is a candidate for the GOAT opening line:

These are the nine figures of the Indians: 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1. With these nine figures and with this sign 0 which in Arabic is called zephirum, any number can be written, as will be demonstrated.

Fizzles, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:41 (six years ago) link

Earth-shattering tbh

.oO (silby), Saturday, 14 October 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link

Now reading Air Guitar, a collection of essays by Dave Hickey, many of which originally ran as columns in Art in America and other publications, primarily about popular music and/or fine art.

o. nate, Sunday, 15 October 2017 02:24 (six years ago) link

donald antrim - the emerald night in the air

really enjoying this. the first story, about a horny drama teacher directing a performance of a midsummer night's dream at a liberal arts college, is still my favourite. i like that his writing is so good yet feels somehow imitable (obvious this is an illusion, but it feels inspiring in some way)

also reading three body problem but only barely barely started. the extremely violent scene that it opens with is very uh, beautifully written?

flopson, Sunday, 15 October 2017 05:03 (six years ago) link

I haf read A CLOCKWORK ORANGE and I thought it was top notch.

Peter Miller, Sunday, 15 October 2017 06:31 (six years ago) link

I might try 4321 next.

Peter Miller, Sunday, 15 October 2017 06:31 (six years ago) link

I fell pretty hard for Letters from Iceland. I've floundered with Auden in the past and it turns out what I needed was an anchor and this was just the job.

I'm going to wade back into my selected poems, but any other recommendations for what other Auden stuff could/should I look at?

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Sunday, 15 October 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link

John le Carre: A Small Town in Germany -- weird reading about a financially and diplomatically knackered UK desperate to get INTO the EU

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Sunday, 15 October 2017 23:19 (six years ago) link

Chinaski - Dyer's Hand is great.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 16 October 2017 07:37 (six years ago) link

Cheers xyzzzz. It's at my uni library so will go grab it.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 16 October 2017 16:40 (six years ago) link

Natahn Hill-The Nix.
Intelligent entertainment. Not many novels deserve that title imo.

nostormo, Monday, 16 October 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link

Reading Leave it To Psmith, as recommended by various here or on ILE. It's great! My favourite Blandings so far.

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 12:19 (six years ago) link

I am on vacation for few days and have begun an appropriately fluffy book, The Lost Continent Bill Bryson (1989). The first chapter is relentlessly jokey, with such gems as the opening paragraph:

I come from Des Moines. Somebody had to.

Nevertheless, this roughly my speed at the moment. I wanted to get away from seriousness for a bit and this younger, less-curmudgeonly version Bill Bryson seems hellbent to amuse me. I intend to permit him.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 19 October 2017 00:10 (six years ago) link

poor mh

mookieproof, Thursday, 19 October 2017 00:22 (six years ago) link

Been buying books faster than I can read them recently. In theory that should mean they form a queue. In practice some get forgotten or left behind for much later, while newer arrivals get taken up immediately. One of those newer arrivals is Richard Olney's Simple French Food. It's very good. Although he explains why he decided he couldn't write about 'improvised cooking', the way he approaches ingredients and recipes does as much as any cookbook i have read to inform and encourage the reader to assemble their own dishes around some fundamental principles of food and cooking:

My consciousness is cluttered with memories of memories and half-memories of endless pilaff garnished with a variety of sautéed vegetables and scrapings from roast chicken or game carcasses – or combined with [i]ragôuts concocted from leftover roasts or firm-fleshed fish stews, heightened perhaps with butter-stewed onion, saffron, mushrooms, dried or fresh, one or several of the garden's native and denizen herbs; of cromesquis, crêpes, raviolis, or cannellonis stuffed with refrigerator remainders become soufflé mixtures, mixtures cheese-bound or béchamel-bound, held together with mushroom purée, stiff soubise, egg and breadcrumbs or rice (a recent and happy memory in this vein is that of cannelloni stuffed with a mixture of braised sweetbreads and braised fennel, each drained, coarsely chopped, mixed with chopped fines herbes and bound with fresh sheep's milk cheese, egg and Parmesan, the cannelloni moistened with the braising liquids, sprinkled with Parmesan, and gratinéed); salads and soups; myriad vegetables sweated in butter, herbs, and their own vapours, vegetable grains, puddings, hashes, stews, and daubes.

Certain of these terms suggest "extemporaneous" or "makeshift." Daube, for instance, means (approximately) "a mess," the origin of the word being presumably the same as that of "daub" in English.[/i]

Fizzles, Sunday, 22 October 2017 10:07 (six years ago) link

tagging dammit!

Fizzles, Sunday, 22 October 2017 10:08 (six years ago) link

oh and Bedouin of the London Evening by Rosemary Tonks from Bloodaxe. It's striking me right in the heart this weekend. deep autumnal colours and landscapes of love.

Fizzles, Sunday, 22 October 2017 13:14 (six years ago) link

Continuing my theme of reading classics I had never got round to before, I'm now reading Baldwin's Notes of a Native Son. I also felt like it was a good match to read after Faulkner - while I thought Faulkner's prose was amazing and the world beautifully and horribly drawn, I was acutely aware that I was reading a white man's perspective on deep south race relations, and that perspective is not enough, not nearly enough.

emil.y, Sunday, 22 October 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link

Finished the Dave Hickey, and started reading Troubles by J.G. Farrell. It kind of effortlessly draws you into a world that becomes stranger and more real the more you learn about it. Wickedly funny as well.

o. nate, Monday, 23 October 2017 00:16 (six years ago) link

Imre Kertesz: Detective Story

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 23 October 2017 00:29 (six years ago) link

Troubles is so good

Number None, Monday, 23 October 2017 06:50 (six years ago) link

Yes! If you like Calvino's fables and tall tales, especially.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Saturday, 16 December 2017 00:08 (six years ago) link

Thank goodness for xmas break, getting through a fair bit:

Wolfgang Hilbig - Old Rendering Plant
Muriel Spark - The Abbess of Crewe
Kristen Roupenian - Cat Person
Muriel Spark - The Hothouse by the East River*
Slowomir Mrozek - The Elephant
Marguerite Duras - Yann Andrea Steiner

Hilbig and Duras are the keepers here. Very different styles and aesthetics. The Duras starts as a brief account of her relationship with a much younger man. From one of their conversations it then jumps into this fictional account of love between two jews (a big age gap here too, except the woman is an adult and the man is actually a young adult, no older than 10) that provides some sort of cathartic release on the holocaust, or somesuch. Its a real high-wire act, what unites the two strands is the care of one person for another (damaged) individual - of course, its something she explores in Hiroshima Mon Amour and many of her books. The Hilbig is an extraordinary account of a boy's obsession with a coal plant. Its transformation of the landscape into this magical realm is reminiscent of Proust's walks around Combray, but even more so Tarkovsky's stalker (its the gothic). Both will pay and re-pay much re-reading.

The Muriel Spark books were sorta boring, couple of interested ideas un-followed (I didn't finish The Hothouse). Mrozek's collection of short pieces is from Penguin Central European Classics strand and there are bits of Schulz, Walser, Kafka. Its diverting enough, worth a read but I wouldn't go out of my way.

Finally Cat Person was a remarkable story in The New Yorker. Tell you all more about it later, but do read it - I guarantee you won't be disappointed.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 17 December 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link

delighted to be catching up things i hadn't got round to or in some cases finished this year. first up This Little Art by Kate Briggs, which I bought and started earlier this year, but then put down. That's because I was battling with it a bit - my own fault - I tend to want to be a bit ruthless with the evident difficulties of translation. It means that 'when you say you've read the translated book, does that *actually* mean you've read at the book do you see' stuff quite tiresome.

that really isn't what the book is like at all though, and now I've broken the back of it i'm finding it really enjoyable. the main substance of it centres around her translations of Barthes' late lectures:

...a critic, theorist and writer whose very last piece of writing, the one that was left on his desk on the day of the accident that led to his death, was titled: 'One Always Fails in Speaking of What One Loves.'

Or, in an alternative translation: we always fail to speak of what we love.

Or alternatively again: you (a general you that includes me, the you we use in English, sometimes, to embrace both you and me),

you always fail to speak, when you speak of what you love.

that passage hit me quite hard. (actual French title was on échoue toujours à parler de ce qu'on aime and was an essay on Stendhal apparently.

also read a shit load of poirot. five little piggies is *excellent*, really interesting and impressive, with a couple of cruxes that are done extremely well. the big four is *dire*, really spectacularly bad. it was written aiui when Christie was at a very low ebb, and it shows, she even mutilates poirot at one point, and it's making me want to understand more about what she was going through at that time.

of course one of the persistent comedies of poirot is that he speaks in english nearly all the time, apart from the most basic words any person would learn immediately. in this sense, as was pointed out to me last night when talking about this, he actually speaks very like the archetypal english person in France - ie basic words in french, anything even slightly beyond that in stilted english.

Fizzles, Sunday, 17 December 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link

xp Yeah my twitter's been all over those (except that last one, dunno what that is)

I'm sure the fact that he killed himself this year is significantly affecting my response, but mark fisher's the weird and the eerie is a lovely little book. It could maybe be a little more rigorous at times - I remember seeing somewhere (maybe here) that the eerie is poorly defined, which I don't agree with, but I do feel like the case for certain works belonging to the eerie aren't convincingly argued - but in general it gets across what's valuable about these modes and makes me want to spend more time in them.

sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Sunday, 17 December 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link

Just started Voltaire in Love, Nancy Mitford. Too soon to say anything else about it.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 17 December 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link

five little piggies is *excellent*, really interesting and impressive

That's good to know, as I'm coincidentally just about to read it!

After your post I read the Wikipedia page for The Big Four, it sounds very WTF in a tantalising way, but I'll avoid it on your advice.

I tend to read 3-4 Christie books every year, usually as a clear-the-decks exercise after something more challenging. Was really impressed by Cards on the Table - although impossible to explain why without spoiling - and HP's Christmas, which is a generic "posh patriarch cops it" mansion mystery, but the solution is quite ingenious.

A few week ago there was an unsurprisingly annoying Front Row episode discussing Christie, with Giles Coren, Sophie Hannah and whoever's been adapting those fucking awful recent BBC Christmas specials. Coren kept saying the books were terrible, the BBC lady was rambling about how she hadn't read much christie but preferred the outside-the-formula books without detective characters, and Hannah kept trying to position Christie as a great social satirist, and it was like JFC how much wrong analysis can you get in a six minute segment.

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 17 December 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link

Had Voltaire in Love for ages, never read it--will be interested to hear what you think

Theodor Fontane: On Tangled Paths -- really enjoying this after a somewhat wobbly start (lots of local colour peasant types getting up to shenanigans, but then the political and sexual intrigue kicked in); annoyingly I already had another copy of this, but under a different title ('Irretrievable') and from different translator

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 18 December 2017 00:01 (six years ago) link

Never could get along with Christie, I have to admit. I just want to punch Poirot in his face.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 18 December 2017 00:02 (six years ago) link

I've been reading At the Existentialist Cafe by Sarah Bakewell. It was an unasked-for gift from last year. I guess I feel a little guilty for not just reading the primary sources, but that's a silly reaction to have, especially when Bakewell has done such a fine job of research. It must be difficult to write a fairly light and entertaining book about philosophers like Husserl, Heidegger, Sartre and de Beauvoir. Also, I should be honest with myself, I was never going to read Heidegger or Husserl anyway and at least now I have some sense, however superficial, of their thought.

o. nate, Monday, 18 December 2017 02:17 (six years ago) link

I'm in a reading trough and am desultorily reading:

Gary Snyder's The Practice of the Wild, which is beautiful and clear-eyed and wise and all the things that make Snyder 'one of our best humans' (trademark). It does feel a little dated, but I don't think that's his fault.

Anita Brookner's Look At Me, which is limpid and arch and precise and all the things that make Brookner so good but hell I find her hard work sometimes.

Brian Vaughan's Saga, which is magnificent.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 18 December 2017 08:46 (six years ago) link

Never could get along with Christie, I have to admit. I just want to punch Poirot in his face.


^ this is a reasonable critique. he deserves a clump up the lughole. must admit binge reading poirot stuff is the worst aspect of my lazy reading habits. like when i read all dick francis in the space of a few weeks. felt mildly unwell after. (they were largely crap, tho horse industry insights obv. all of which i’ve now forgotten)

Fizzles, Monday, 18 December 2017 12:17 (six years ago) link

Read The Stone Tide by Gareth E Rees, sits somewhere in the psychogeography - autofiction - old weird England continuum without being squarely any of them, and also taking a wry look at those modes, I enjoyed it. Mostly set in Hastings, and a bit in Bexhill-on-Sea.

I read Old Men In Love by Alasdair Gray, it's the first of his I've read, and I enjoyed that too, feels like Proper Old Fashioned (but not that old fashioned) Lit Fic, takes the ruse of being The Collected Papers Of the main character, includes diaries and drafts of part-finished novels. Well done everyone. Set mostly in Glasgow.

I read Worlds From The Word's End by Joanna Walsh, tricky and rewarding "experimental" short stories, she's very good indeed. Set nowhere in particular. Eley Williams remains my short story champ this year, I love "Attrib" beyond all reason.

Now I'm reading "After Leaving Mr Mackenzie" by Jean Rhys. Would like to keep reading it forever. Set in Paris so far.

Tim, Monday, 18 December 2017 12:27 (six years ago) link

I have a fresh unopened copy of attrib. sitting waiting for me at home as I type

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(along with the ya novel THUG and spufford’s golden hill. all recommended by the what page are you on podcast)

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Richard Holmes - Shelley: The Pursuit
Katherine Anne Porter - "Old Mortality"

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 December 2017 13:50 (six years ago) link

The Odyssey, tr. Emily Wilson. Spare, swift, and true.

.oO (silby), Monday, 18 December 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link

I'm back for air after sequestering myself with Proust since late summer (am halfway through - just finished the first vol. of Sodom and Gomorrah/Cities on the Plain, to be precise - and am taking a small break, but still very much engrossed).

I've heard nothing but excellent things about the new translation of the Odyssey and am looking forward to reading it. I'm hoping to read a few other books during my holiday break before returning to Marcel.

As it's the time of year of year-end recaps, in the spirit, I thought I'd share a few highlights from 2017 which may be of interest to some (a few of which were taken from recommendations from threads earlier in the year - thanks all :))

Distant Star + Last Evenings on Earth - Roberto Bolano
Middlemarch - George Eliot
Transit - Rachel Cusk
The Malady of Death - Marguerite Duras
Youth - JM Coetzee (am meaning to read the other two in the trilogy, as well)
Torpor, I Love Dick - Chris Kraus
Lightning Rods - Helen DeWitt
The Sellout - Paul Beatty
Bartleby and Co - Enrique Vila Matas

The Economics of Global Turbulence - Robert Brenner
Detroit I Do Mind Dying - Dan Georgakas
October - China Mieville
Memoirs of a Revolutionary - Victor Serge

Federico Boswarlos, Monday, 18 December 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link

Also hoping to read these over the holidays (meant to include in earlier post!) and also hoping to eventually get to Henry Green after finishing In Search of Lost Time.

The Mushroom at the End of the World by Anna Tsing https://press.princeton.edu/titles/10581.html
Autumn - Ali Smith https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autumn_(Smith_novel)

Federico Boswarlos, Monday, 18 December 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link

It's so weird that smith & knausgaard both have books called winter out now, that are the 2nd volumes of "season" tetralogies

sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Monday, 18 December 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link

Diary of a Provincial Lady's sequels maintain the quality

Turns out I had purchased an omnibus of all of these! Had a buncha flights so binged, which is perhaps not the best way to read them (some comedic tricks do repeat a lot), but overall am very very impressed. Foreword rightly points out how modern Delafield's character is in balancing home life and professional ventures; I also enjoy the frequent shout-outs to plays/books/movies the protagonist has enjoyed. Am in total agreement w/ her on René Clair's Le Million and the moment where she confesses that she would leave her husband and children in a heartbeat if propositioned by not Ivor Novello or Douglas Fairbanks but CHARLES LAUGHTON is <3 <3 <3 Also, the frequent hopes for a bolschevick revolution when she has to deal with her snotty neighbour. Very interested to check out more Delalfield.

Now reading the second volume of the Penguin Book Of The British Short Story and the early selections being of course filled with Wodehouse and Wharton I was a bit wary I'd OD on English whimsy, reading this right after Delafield, but then it gets into the WWI era and jesus. The story that's impacted me most so far is "The German Prisoner" by James Hanley, whom I'd previously not heard of. It's like an EC Comics war story but with Italian cannibal movie levels of violent gore. Can't say I enjoyed it, and am not entirely sure what I think of it (Author's Intention, although a red herring, always seems to pop up in this kind of thing, I think), though it's certainly a nice corrective to the rah-rah nonsense of Buchan and the like. Anyway, it's certainly something. Approach with caution.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 13:01 (six years ago) link

I've been reading At the Existentialist Cafe by Sarah Bakewell. It was an unasked-for gift from last year. I guess I feel a little guilty for not just reading the primary sources, but that's a silly reaction to have, especially when Bakewell has done such a fine job of research. It must be difficult to write a fairly light and entertaining book about philosophers like Husserl, Heidegger, Sartre and de Beauvoir. Also, I should be honest with myself, I was never going to read Heidegger or Husserl anyway and at least now I have some sense, however superficial, of their thought.

Really liked this. I've mentioned this a few times but there's a section she quotes from De Beauvoir's memoirs that is basically the end speech from Blade Runner.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 13:09 (six years ago) link

(Wharton? I meant Waugh, duh)

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 13:09 (six years ago) link

Some good ones I read in the last couple of weeks:

Jennifer Egan - Manhattan Beach
Gerbrand Bakker - The Twin
Sayed Kashua - Second Person Singular
Magda Szabó - The Door (thanks, ILB!)
Sebastian Barry - Days Without End
Emmanuel Carrère - Class Trip

The best one was probably Days Without End. A really good novel about the American Civil War, told by a very modern protagonist.
The Door took a while to get going, but turned brilliant in the last 80 pages.

ArchCarrier, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 14:06 (six years ago) link

The story that's impacted me most so far is "The German Prisoner" by James Hanley, whom I'd previously not heard of.

Highly recommend James Hanley's novel Boy, equally grim in its way and successfully prosecuted for obscenity during the author's lifetime. Love this from the Wiki entry on it:

Novelist Hugh Walpole, in a review, described Boy as "A novel that is so unpleasant and ugly, both in narration and in incident, that I wonder the printers did not go on strike while printing it"

Akdov Telmig (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 19 December 2017 14:12 (six years ago) link

Yeah, I saw that mentioned in the author blurb at the back. E.M. Forster repped for it!

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 19 December 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link

'Boy' is one of the most depressing things I have ever read, and I've read a lot of depressing things.

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 20 December 2017 00:05 (six years ago) link

Sylvia Plath - The Bell Jar + her poetry from '62 till her death. I liked the novel, its very much of a piece that is comfortable (as with a few Hollywoood films at the time) in taking in psychoanalysis, mental health, certain (now controversial) treatments. What she does in the book that the films wouldn't do is slap an agreeable ending.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 December 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link

Bernard Sumner's memoir Chapter and Verse. Still at him being a kid, just taking his 11 plus and trying to avoid the local non-Grammar High School.

I Swear I Was There about the first 2 Sex pistols gigs in Manchester teh ones put on by Howard devoto and Pete Shelley.

FOPP has a stack of great titles in the 2 for £5 section
also got a thing on the Who in the 60s and 77 Sulphate Strip.

Might go back for a couple of the books on style, The Bag I'm in for one.

Stevolende, Thursday, 21 December 2017 19:03 (six years ago) link

In last weekend's WSJ, Daphne Merkin reviewed massive new collection of early letters from Plath, with at least one more volume to come. Her mother had her trained to report back on everything, everything, and she seems to have enjoyed it, is DM's impression, plus the "microscopic" focus, though disconcerting at first, becomes very involving, hypnotic even. But not too zone-out/in for perspective/patterns.

dow, Thursday, 21 December 2017 19:06 (six years ago) link

I've got a vol of Letters Home to come, and really looking forward to cracking on in 2018. I do like Plath's poetry but the talent of course was cut short, and from reading her I felt there was so much more to come (which I possibly don't feel about Kafka, say, but there was so much more of it, and it was miraculously something on a sentence-level.)

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 21 December 2017 19:16 (six years ago) link


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