IT'S BETTER THAN DRINKIN' ALONE: The Official ILM Track-by-Track BILLY JOEL Listening Thread

they're certainly less traditionally/technically gifted than many of their peers. i love them too. but i believe the question here was about name recognition, not chops.

i would add under to the bands tied in "c" any backing band that had waddy wachtel in it.

elton's guys too - dee and nigel surely known to EJ fans but nobody else.

ha and by dee I mean davey, proving the point

currently watching a live facebook feed of the lords of 52nd street (incl. liberty, richie and russell javors) playing "all for leyna."

"Through the Long Night" is a sweet closer. Glass Houses was a great album overall, certainly my second favorite after The Stranger - New Wave was kind to him

what up Doc

Soon!! Probably tomorrow AM actually... Sorry, been a packed week between finishing up a lecture and grading stuff. If you like, think of this as a simulation of the long writing and recording process for our next album...

oh sweet i'm gonna listen to songs in the attic tonight in preparation

can i just say that songs in the attic has the stupidest sleeve

billy: "you thought you could hide from me, songs, but i found you, in this attic... and all it took was my big flashlight"

haha yeah it's dumb. i assume it's supposed to be a ghost story? like oh I thought I heard something... almost like.... a song? but where was it coming from?

also makes me think maybe it started out as just an odds-n-sods comp and became a live album late in the process or something. which doesn't seem likely but boy is it not designed to look like a live album.

I'd no idea Attic was so popular.

I'd never heard of this album before and everything about it - the structure, the general idea, the sleeve, the actual tunes - sounds um misguided to put it mildly.

Ahhhh I think it's a cool idea! Lots of bands do some version of "here's the best stuff from before we reached our current popularity" right? And I do think most or all of these versions are solid improvements on the originals.

I wonder to what extent it influenced REM in the Attic compilation.

I wish Billy, too, had covered "Toys in the Attic," but changed the name for the album's sake.

i think it’s a cool idea too. and he pretty much pulled it off, all these songs sound better here

I'm gonna add "Mexican Connection," "Why Judy Why," and "Stop in Nevada" to my fantasy two-disc version of this album. Hell, I wouldn't even mind a big, bellowing, crowd-pleasing "Captain Jack.". Maybe some could get the Glass Houses style treatment; throw in a couple covers like that "I'll Cry Instead" and my imagined Aerosmith travesty and it's a real fun evening of Billy.

re sleeve: no guys the PIANO is haunted & it’s playing the songs in the attic

gu gu gu ghoooosts

lol wait captain jack is already on there what am I talking about

well it could be bigger and more indulgent I guess. or a lean, neurotic, cars-style rendition to try and grab the new fans

i'm picturing the chorus riff like the opening of "Let's Go"

bwehhh, bweh bweh BWAH bwah, BWHUMMH bwuh bwuh

haha I was gonna say, the live CJ is all I remember from this album, it was a big radio thing when I was a radio-listening teenager

i am way behind, kinda fell off after Petty's death, gotta study up

We've actually been on hiatus that whole time --- and I'm sorry to say that at this point I'm just gonna roll thru the weekend and start up Nylon Curtain on Monday. Sorry to all the fans and great thread participants, but we'll be back - it's hard to keep a good thread down!

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Following protracted sessions in 1981-1982, interrupted by a motorcycle accident that seriously injured Billy's fingers and wrists, The Nylon Curtain arrived in September of 1982, a full two and a half years after Glass Houses. An eternity in those days, but at least the accident offered a ready theme for his second Rolling Stone cover.. Known as his 'statement' album, it's also his early-thirties crisis album, his "the studio as an instrument" album... and his divorce album, with his marriage to first wife and manager Elizabeth Weber ending in July.

Musically, it's the same crew as the last few records, minus Richie Cannata. It was another hit, if a lesser one: in the US, it spawned a couple of medium-sized hits and peaked at #7 (with the last three having been #2, #1, and #1), and has been certified "only" double-platinum. It was, however, his sole #1 album in the Netherlands. At the Grammys, it was nominated for Album of the Year; with American Fool, The Nightfly, and Tug of War, it lost to Toto IV.

man the discogs image browser really gives a false sense of how big the images are actually going to be, sorry about that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BopLuwJJEkY

Opening track Allentown had, according to Billy, been in gestation since the mid-70s, though for some long period it was a fragment called "Levittown" ("... and there's really nothing goin' down..."). The direct inspiration for the rewrite was Bethlehem, not Allentown, but more generally Joel has referred to his years of playing shows in the Lehigh Valley, being moved by the locals' plight and particularly a fan after a show once who bitterly observed that since Billy was getting more popular, he probably wouldn't be coming back. Typical of his approach on several songs on the album, the discussion is pretty sketchy on the larger-scale structural questions; in promotional interviews at the time he said he wasn't interested in political statements but in capturing the feelings of those affected on the ground. Hmmm.

As the album's second single, it made it to #17 (#19 on Adult Contemporary). This release includes one of Billy's very few non-album B-sides, which I'll pick up after the album's done. It also had a music video which at times seems more than a bit too goofy for the material.

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In January 1983, Allentown mayor Joseph Daddona awarded Billy Joel the key to the city (not his last). A 2007 interview with the local paper has a little more detail on this.

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i know we get into territory now where he cops flack for not taking a stand politically but i think he does a good job of capturing the longing for a time long gone & the sense of betrayal, and how much of it was tied to their parents

i love some of the phrasing, like this section

Well our fathers fought the Second World War
Spent their weekends on the Jersey Shore
Met our mothers in the USO
Asked them to dance
Danced with them slow

like if you get away from what you WANT the song to be about, the character that is narrating has a pretty well-studied voice

(i feel the same way abt Goodnight Saigon later too)

yeah that's always been what works best for me in this song - very real sense of letdown and bitterness, the unfairness of it, and the timeline where it all goes wrong in one generation. from a post-2016 vantage some of this emotive territory reads differently perhaps.

this song gave me a pretty negative impression of unions, as a kid - "crawled away," sounds snakelike, and they left everybody else behind? opportunistic fair-weather friends, sounds like! oops. this part, and "taken all the coal from the ground" seem furthest from really understanding what was happening and who/what was responsible for plant closures. but maybe both reflected a real feeling he was hearing from people in the area, idk.

yeah i mean, i don’t think this is intended as a thesis ...it’s a very personal, emotional viewpoint that feels more believable because it’s flawed & simplified
like it’s one guy’s letter to the editor of the local newspaper

also, just remembered I need to dig up my allergy-themed rewrite, "pollentown," circa 1992

yeah agreed. just wish he'd heap some blame on the bosses while he's at it. elsewhere, in retrospective interviews, he's confusingly pinned the problems on reaganomics. but I wonder if at the time he would have agreed with the imagined letter-writer that the problem was the exhaustion of coal reserves combined with cowardice from "the union people."

Yeah he captured the sentiment well on this song. I also like the clanking sounds and other noises, which adds to the feeling. In general, he's good at matching the music with the subject matter

at least some PA miner types hated this song, iirc. Elvis Costello has an anecdote about being insulted in an elevator by someone who thought he was Billy Joel.

When I listed BJ's best songs, "Allentown" was my #1. He gets it right: the at times forced conviction works in a song about grinning through tears.

Intriguing point, Lord Alfred.

Springsteen's version of this song ("My Home Town") is elegiac and resigned... but also relaxed/mellow in a way that "Allentown" isn't. Maybe Bill's air of neurotic frustration and barely suppressed anger is more appropriate to the material! Bruce, for all his ostensible common-man sympathies, has always been a basically comfortable and happy person.

Other entries in the category - James Taylor's way-too-mellow "Letter in the Mail," Mary Chapin Carpenter's "I am a Town," all of Richard Shindell's trucker anthems - also fall limp for the same reasons. These pampered folkies with their nice guitars and calm voices SAY they sympathize with the plight of the downtrodden, but they don't betray any familiarity with hardship. Of course Billy never worked on a fishing boat or in a steel mill, but at least he brings some evident inner conflict and angst to the party.

BTW, I neglected to mention it above, but this was the #1 finisher back when Veg polled the Greatest Hits in 2012!

Great song, for all of the reasons that have already been stated. Veg quoted my favourite part; I love the way that this almost hoarily romantic image becomes a kind of promise, along with the assurances of "if we work hard / if we behave," that the present reality has failed to deliver. I love his wistful delivery, too; had Billy's performance underlined the bitterness of the lyric, rather than the sadness, he would have missed the point of his own song.

• I used to stare at that inner sleeve of WMJ drinking his coffee, reading the newspaper, trying to figure out if that was a real window, what newspaper he was reading (it's the sports section, I think I remember figuring that one out.) Also doing the math in my head and thinking that by the year 2006, I should be able to grow a beard like that too. (I still can't.)

• Just going to quote this Allentown wiki one more time:
"The rhythm heard in the introduction.. is reminiscent of the sound of a rolling mill converting steel ingots into I-beams or other shapes... This gives the song an early industrial music influence."

In case you were wondering who paved the way for Skinny Puppy.

• And hey, if you were looking for a nice slice of Beefcake Steelworker ass in 1982, look no further than your nearest Billy Joel video.

Was going to say, the opening to "Allentown" in the Live from Long Island HBO concert was my first introduction to industrial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOa7jBlFvNg

considering this song with glass houses still in my head, i like that the sound effects are now intruding on the song instead of just introducing it

btw i've never consciously heard "allentown" before and i like it a lot

i like that it seems v narrowly constructed until he gets to the "aayyyyyyyyy," frustration and resentment building toward a momentary release that leads right back into the original constricted design

somewhere online last night I read that the "industrial" sounds were mostly phil and billy putting a bunch of fragile instruments (maracas and such) in a box and turning it over repeatedly.

The song - and My Hometown and Born in the USA album in general and and Scarecrow by Mellencamp - were all very powerful to me in the 80s, especially living on a family farm by a small town, you were sort of living in this haunted world, all these buildings - that used to be the bowling alley, that used to be the movie theater, that used to be a grocery store can you believe we used to have three grocery stores in town? that use to be the Viking Cafe.....

there was always this sense that we were living in the aftermath of this era of the heyday 50s and 60s that our grandparents and parents had lived through, when Frost, Minnesota had over 500 people instead of 190 and was the Sugar Beet Capital of the World (TM).

i love how "allentown" serves as a kind of bernie (broad strokes, anger) to "my hometown"'s hillary (details, resignation). i love both songs.

i also love how the pounding piano picks up a bit of the "all for leyna" vibe from the last album without sounding anything like it. i remember the first time i heard the piano intro to both songs and how quickly i fell in love both times.

later i moved to bethlehem, which presumably would've been the title of the song if it wasn't such a difficult rhyme. that's where the steel industry was. allentown had mack trucks but it was a bigger, more diverse city, much better positioned to deal with the economic woes of the '80s. bethlehem steel's headquarters had two enormous parking lots, one for american cars, right next to the entrance, and one for foreign cars, which in my memory was a solid 10-minute walk away. i drove a honda. i got a lot of shit for it and in retrospect i have some regrets about it.

you were sort of living in this haunted world, all these buildings - that used to be the bowling alley, that used to be the movie theater, that used to be a grocery store can you believe we used to have three grocery stores in town? that use to be the Viking Cafe

great post