Young Giffen doing a pretty good Neal Adams impression there.
― chap, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 10:52 (six years ago) link
Can't see a great deal of Adams there myself, and at this stage of his career Giffen was generally more of a Kirby Kopyist (though it's true that throughout the 70s Marvel encouraged their artists to 'emulate' Kirby, while DC encouraged their artists to 'emulate' Adams.)
― Gunpowder Julius (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 11:06 (six years ago) link
i can see adams in it, but looks a bit more like joe kubert to me
― more bemused than human (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 11:11 (six years ago) link
Well the inker, John Celardo, was an old newspaper strip hand who took over the Green Beret comic strip from... Joe Kubert, so I think that might account for the similarity, more than Giffen's pencils.
― Gunpowder Julius (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 4 October 2017 11:32 (six years ago) link
close enoughhttps://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_RqQX6TJreU/WzBKLNsqUAI/AAAAAAABeXw/bghAjGIYaUo9wQ6hM_4S8miJ5Iy4CQD2wCLcBGAs/s640/8009.jpghttps://1.bp.blogspot.com/-env6Mi6qLlA/WzBKKzHKAKI/AAAAAAABeXo/m7znH1t1QoIyiot_7VpXdqi3fL944oMAgCLcBGAs/s640/3933.jpg
― Οὖτις, Friday, 29 June 2018 15:29 (five years ago) link
wow, that Hawk & Dove cover is great. went to GCD to see who inked it, and they have it as Ditko, which surely can't be right?
(I agree with their assessment of Gaspar for letters, and the logo looks like him too - wonder if the overall design came from Ditko, Gaspar, or someone inhouse)
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Friday, 29 June 2018 21:07 (five years ago) link
That looks like a Ditko to me.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 29 June 2018 21:09 (five years ago) link
did Ditko not ink his own stuff?
― Οὖτις, Friday, 29 June 2018 21:09 (five years ago) link
he usually inked his interiors, but the drapery and black-spotting on that cover look more fluid and shadowy than he tended to do, and the varying lineweight on Dove and the top heads is a heavier brush than I think of him doing.
I'm no expert though, and have only seen his stuff in non-reprint form from the 1980s on.
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Friday, 29 June 2018 21:27 (five years ago) link
hmm, just saw it full-size at Spurge's, and the inking on the "Don" legs is totally Ditko's shading style
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Friday, 29 June 2018 21:33 (five years ago) link
I had no idea that Hawk & Dove went back that far!
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Sunday, 1 July 2018 17:59 (five years ago) link
They were in Showcase first.
― kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Sunday, 1 July 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ZAM7HvgXEJ4/Wz2I2D8U3OI/AAAAAAABef4/cYosKpS364Qq1q8hqJ7XqwJvnSDVBkDNQCLcBGAs/s640/18244.jpg
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 July 2018 15:54 (five years ago) link
https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60351981_2117804144933758_705667851196825600_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-lht6-1.xx&oh=959612ca58d0676575ae29e90ee9c4a5&oe=5D9EBEAA
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 16:24 (four years ago) link
^^^^ the alpha and the omega
― Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 16:59 (four years ago) link
LOL Gil Kane really loved this pose:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj2tJO7kdXiAhVJURoKHfehAV8QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdc.fandom.com%2Fwiki%2FDC_Comics_Presents_Vol_1_56&psig=AOvVaw3h5zmiBqtJArZw8Soug0YI&ust=1559920113591120
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 6 June 2019 15:11 (four years ago) link
https://www.google.com/urlsa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj2tJO7kdXiAhVJURoKHfehAV8QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdc.fandom.com%2Fwiki%2FDC_Comics_Presents_Vol_1_56&psig=AOvVaw3h5zmiBqtJArZw8Soug0YI&ust=1559920113591120
Sorry!
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/c/c5/DC_Comics_Presents_56.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20081219165634
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 6 June 2019 15:12 (four years ago) link
there's a whole page for pieta-style covershttps://www.cbr.com/i-cant-cover-what-i-am-the-best-pieta-covers/
(although i think that one isn't the original)
― koogs, Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:18 (four years ago) link
ah, apologies...
"For all my powers, I could not save _____": An image thread
― koogs, Thursday, 6 June 2019 16:20 (four years ago) link
https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/6/d0/57d951da7236f/clean.jpg
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 28 March 2020 13:48 (four years ago) link
I mean, if I was him I'd be quite keen to get my normal body back too.
― chap, Saturday, 28 March 2020 17:19 (four years ago) link
Good lord, is that Angel in the top right? That costume...
― Nhex, Saturday, 28 March 2020 18:17 (four years ago) link
It's Nighthawk. He was a Batmanesque character iirc, rich dude fighting crime.
― Miami weisse (WmC), Saturday, 28 March 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link
From the Squadron Supreme, an alternative reality superteam who were deliberately created as takes on DC heroes, no?
― chap, Saturday, 28 March 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link
Yeah, Gerber goes to some weird places w that character
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:02 (four years ago) link
Valkyrie’s boob armor is really... something.
― morrisp, Sunday, 29 March 2020 13:31 (three years ago) link
The Kyle Richmond/Defenders Nighthawk is an interesting character in that he is a bit of a loser. He wants so bad to be a hero and the "leader" so bad and really just does not have it down. I know one of the endings of the Defenders is that everybody quits and he cannot get anyone to rejoin with him. I can't remember when that story happened, it might have been a newer one.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 01:27 (three years ago) link
That character died at the end of Gruenwald's original Squadron Supreme miniseries. I don't know how Marvel brought him back, but I'm sure it was stupid.
― morrisp, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 01:50 (three years ago) link
it was.
grim and gritty:http://i.imgur.com/B7gfq2d.png
gave way to grim and grittier:http://i.imgur.com/BLhnnhx.png
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 03:03 (three years ago) link
Sometimes I think Marvel went roughly 40 years w out making a decent comic. I kinda hate everything between 1980 and Immortal Hulk.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 03:05 (three years ago) link
I found the JMS super-gritty Supreme Power comics to be pretty amusing actually
― Nhex, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 04:24 (three years ago) link
The Nighthawk who was a Defenders member was from Squadron Sinister, not Squadron Supreme. Squadron Sinister was introduced first by Roy Thomas as an parallel universe evil version of JLA, and later on he decided to create a heroic parallel universe version of them called Squadron Supreme. But Squadron Supreme mostly stayed in their universe (until it was destroyed), while the evil Nighthawk stayed in ours, reformed and joined the Defenders. He actually died before the Squadron Supreme Nighthawk, who impersonated him for a short while. I can't blame anyone for getting confused by all this.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 09:11 (three years ago) link
Was Squadron Supreme an influence on the original Watchmen series?
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 09:15 (three years ago) link
The 1970s version? No. The 1985 version, published after the earliest Watchmen promotional material? Also no.
(possibly very very faintly inasmuch as they were an earlier example of filing the serial numbers off a bunch of characters, but Moore very obviously had the examples of Kurtzman and Anglo imprinted on his creative psyche before Roy Thomas even entered comics.)
― Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 10:23 (three years ago) link
I was thinking more along the lines of "We are the heroes! But are we? Or are we fascists?" plotline, but it's been a decade since I last read Watchmen, and probably two or more since I read Squadron Supreme.
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 11:26 (three years ago) link
we have a thread for thatSquadron Supreme (Mark Gruenwald) - C or D?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 11:44 (three years ago) link
xxxxp Thx, Tuomas -- I missed that distinction
stevie -- besides my great Squadron Supreme thread (thx, ulysses!), see also Alan Moore's comments in this 1987 interview:
MOORE: I think that when Watchmen was first announced everybody assumed that it was going to be Squadron Supreme, the superheroes take over. We never said that. We said that we were going to try to treat them realistically. (...) I think that while people expected that, we’ve not investigated the idea of superheroes as fascists the same way that Frank Miller has in Dark Knight, or the same thing they’ve done in Squadron Supreme. It wasn’t really our intention. Our intention was to show how superheroes could deform the world just by being there, not that they’d have to take it over, just their presence there would make the difference. It’s what we try to show in Watchmen #4. From the point where Dr. Manhattan appears, it slowly starts to go downhill from there — everything starts to change. He doesn’t take over the country or make people subservient to him, but just his presence there makes everything begin to change. Yet on another level, if you equate Dr. Manhattan with the atom bomb, the atom bomb doesn’t take over the world, but by being there it changes everything. That was more the idea that I was trying to explore. (...)
― morrisp, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link
Ah! Thanks Morrisp... Reread that thread this afternoon and your overview of the series reminded me why I've never reread SS. Watchmen is definitely an infinitely subtler and more effective book.
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 16:22 (three years ago) link
also that thread gets kind of steamy towards the end, doesn't it?
"Towards the end"? Nothing ends, stevie. Nothing ever ends.
― morrisp, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
SAD BUT TRUE
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Wednesday, 1 April 2020 18:45 (three years ago) link
Also - I’ll grant you that Watchmen is “subtler,” but I think Squadron Supreme has a brute “effectiveness” of its own. It’s like saying you prefer, I dunno, Solaris* for being “infinitely subtler” than Alien... I’d rather watch Alien!(*NB - I’ve never actually seen Solaris)
― morrisp, Thursday, 2 April 2020 06:22 (three years ago) link
tbh all i remember clearly of SS is how Tom Thumb's death is announced in a little black panel at the very bottom of the page!
― Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Thursday, 2 April 2020 07:58 (three years ago) link