Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

plus wiring money to your girlfriend doesn't seem all that odd

recall this thread from flappy's previous incarnation and it'll all make sense: what the fuck is happening - is there about to be a major disaster/war

I mean floppy's not wrong in a sense, it doesn't seem unlikely that some pretty major details are still missing at this point

yeaaaaaaah, except he's putting it together in a "...and that's why Oswald is a patsy" sort of way

and like, when a dude without a criminal record pops off and doesn't leave a manifesto, there isn't some magical motive fairy that's going to bring it to light in three days

wow, collardio... i'm so sorry to hear that. i can't even imagine.

This dude's a hero
https://www.thedailybeast.com/unarmed-security-guard-jesus-campos-took-on-las-vegas-killer-stephen-paddock

Not for the faint, but someone synchronized some of the many phone videos emerging.

xxpost neanderthal otm. we are so used to getting answers pretty quickly but this is going to take a lot of oldfashioned investigative legwork to unravel with so little left for them to go on

unfortunately the longer it takes, all the more time for a portion of the community to fashion ever more elaborate tinfoil hats :/

I wonder if they have located his will?

who cares

Because it might have information of some sort?

Yes, most wills do. Again, who cares? What will we learn that's of any use to anyone beyond trivia?

Motive, dear boy, motive. Possibly.

doo dah, how much do you stand to inherit?

Motive, dear boy, motive. Possibly.

one more time, w h o c a r e s

"i leave the bulk of my estate to.... the democratic socialists of america"

i can imagine if i had been maimed or somebody close to me had died, i might be curious about the motive or care about it.

Can't wait for the collective 'eureka!' moment when the uncovered will finally allows us to discern the intricate latticework of what appears at first blush to be an irresolvably senseless and meaningless act of selfish nihilism.

Not having a go at anyone. It's just...there are no answers to be found here.

Really?

I mean, sure, literally speaking, there's plenty more to be uncovered. But what does any of it mean? Is it going to comfort anyone or make sense of what happened? These endless post-mortem plunges into the lives of psychotics never turn up any real answers.

I mean I'd almost prefer they didn't, any motive can be framed by the NRA as "ok here's what the REAL problem is"

You can't win. A motive makes for better scapegoating of (whatever), no apparent motive feeds the sense of arbitrariness and "well this is just something that happens now, like the weather."

^^ Yeah, that. The news that he was "recently prescribed an anti-anxiety medication." Him and millions of other Americans. Like me, who doesn't want to get lumped in with this cumstain.

He just switched to Sanka, so have a heart.

LAS VEGAS—The gunman who murdered at least 59 people at a country-music concert on Sunday might have originally targeted another Las Vegas music festival held the previous weekend, according to a senior law enforcement source.

Stephen Paddock rented multiple condos overlooking the annual Life Is Beautiful Festival, which this year was headlined by Lorde and Chance the Rapper, said the source, who is not directly involved in the investigation but has been briefed on its progress.

In an effort to confirm the report, The Daily Beast visited the Ogden, a 21-story luxury condominium tower with a line of sight to the concert-grounds.

“We're not in a position to confirm or deny anything about Mr. Paddock's dealings. I suggest you contact Metro [police]. As you know this is an on going investigation,” said Melissa Warren, public affairs officer for Fais Foley Warren, owner of the Ogden.

― nomar, Wednesday, October 4, 2017 10:23 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/vegas-shooter-reportedly-booked-a-room-over-lollapalooza-too/

This actually suggests another, "market friendly", approach. Mandate that home insurance cover medical/civil lawsuit costs of guns in the home. If the insurance lobby can save us from drunk drivers, not wearing seatbelts, and building in flood plains, perhaps they could save us from the American gun pandemic. This hasn't stopped drunk driving, vehicular mortality, or hurricanes, but it has incentivised better behavior.

― prelude to abjection (Sanpaku), Wednesday, October 4, 2017 9:06 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is this your idea sanpaku or is there literature on it? id be curious to read more. its interesting, is the idea that you pay more for 1 or x # of guns or just across the board whether u own one or not?

its definitely not the first time I've heard "force gun owners to purchase insurance", similar to those who own vehicles

something to make gun owners responsible for who they sell their guns to would be nice too

I've tried to hold back in general with people posting about this elsewhere, but we as a society need to address both the causes and methodology of mass shooting events. But the methodology, meaning the ability for people to have a shitload of guns, is the main one.

It's such a fucking red herring to pin things on "mental illness" because, like any other illness, it can have sudden onset or be caused by trauma. Even if we take guns away from every person diagnosed with schizophrenia, every domestic abuser, every felon, that doesn't stop the fact that mental illness is harder to quantify and diagnose than physical illness, and we're only good at that with the most obvious conditions.

Any person can have a concussion, a car accident, a stroke, a heart attack, and have their brain change from trauma. Among other things.

Too bad that the NRA and their associated nuts believe that guns exist in some rarified sphere where they should remain untouched by the rules and regulations and social conventions that govern every other fucking thing that exists.

It's such a fucking red herring to pin things on "mental illness" because, like any other illness, it can have sudden onset or be caused by trauma.

frankly a guy like this had obviously so deeply buried a mental illness that no one saw this coming, he kept everything hidden. for every Adam Lanza type, or someone like the Port Arthur killer (guys who exhibited behaviors that were clearly related to mental illness), you get fifteen or twenty like this guy or the Columbine killers. I said it before but how can anyone differentiate between a guy who's got a chip on his shoulder vs a guy who's dreaming about and planning to execute a mass murder of people he doesn't know? you can't, the latter guys are *never* the type who "seems like a murderer." Maybe they're kinda of a dickish uncle type. Look at this Paddock asshole.

people surprise others by killing themselves all the time, doesn't seem like a stretch for mass murderers to do likewise

it's kind of a catch-22 where we say no one who could do this could be mentally well, so we immediately rush to find signs that there's a pattern conforming to mental illness because this is not a thing well people do

I mean, maybe really getting into buying a bunch of objects that are made to kill human beings is one of the telltale signs that you might be cultivating an interest in shooting people

I try not to rag on the US too much, but 'absolutely insane' doesn't begin to cover the situation in this article.

https://www.gq.com/story/inside-federal-bureau-of-way-too-many-guns

Too bad that the NRA and their associated nuts believe that guns exist in some rarified sphere where they should remain untouched by the rules and regulations and social conventions that govern every other fucking thing that exists.

― this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Thursday, October 5, 2017 2:49 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah sometimes it seems like the NRA is focusing on the rights of the guns themselves not peoples rights to own them

it's just darkly hilarious to me that the people who are banding together over their right to own toys for grownups that double as mass murder machines are the ones who wail and have a victim mentality.

There is always a certain horror-show fascination with a spectacular crime like this one, which the media is very happy to feed to repletion, but after the most basic facts have been reported the coverage soon devolves into a peep show. As for his murky motives, I can see how finding a motive, or what is more likely, inventing one that sounds plausible, would help those who struggle to make sense of this kind of ultraviolent act, but ultimately no motive could be sufficient to 'explain' this crime, because no combination of emotions or rationalizations would reliably deliver this kind of a result.

it's just darkly hilarious to me that the people who are banding together over their right to own toys for grownups that double as mass murder machines are the ones who wail and have a victim mentality.

That GQ article is fascinating Andrew, thanks. What a Kafkaesque rat-maze of paperwork, just the way the NRA prefers to keep it I'm sure.

NRA obviously posing a bit/casting blame but they are saying they are behind bump stock regulation

. @NRA STATEMENT: pic.twitter.com/6kWKq6uF6F

— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 5, 2017

At this point, the hardline gun people are being absolutely unreasonable. They have to make concessions. ANY concession. It's fucking ridiculous to even debate whether certain measures will "work" or not. Something needs to be TRIED.

Well, this IS the concession. I don't think you'll get any more.

yeah that's it.

funnily enough, the NRA being behind it makes me think it's totally inconsequential but ok

All we have in this life is imperfect solutions, so it's time to apply some of them

"Despite the fact that OBAMA allowed the sale of bad things, WE, the NRA, are calling on reviewing these bad things anyway. Because we care so much. THANKS OBAMA."

Scumbags.

Also, just 5 million members and the strongest lobbying kru out there? Smdh

yep get ready for the Republicans to fall over backwards patting themselves on the back over bump stock regulation

Of interest.

Less than a week after Las Vegas, NRA Country's biggest stars are distancing themselves from the org. My latest:https://t.co/1p7jrojrGd

— Jonathan Bernstein (@jonbern) October 5, 2017