Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

NRA obviously posing a bit/casting blame but they are saying they are behind bump stock regulation

. @NRA STATEMENT: pic.twitter.com/6kWKq6uF6F

— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 5, 2017

At this point, the hardline gun people are being absolutely unreasonable. They have to make concessions. ANY concession. It's fucking ridiculous to even debate whether certain measures will "work" or not. Something needs to be TRIED.

Well, this IS the concession. I don't think you'll get any more.

yeah that's it.

funnily enough, the NRA being behind it makes me think it's totally inconsequential but ok

All we have in this life is imperfect solutions, so it's time to apply some of them

"Despite the fact that OBAMA allowed the sale of bad things, WE, the NRA, are calling on reviewing these bad things anyway. Because we care so much. THANKS OBAMA."

Scumbags.

Also, just 5 million members and the strongest lobbying kru out there? Smdh

yep get ready for the Republicans to fall over backwards patting themselves on the back over bump stock regulation

Of interest.

Less than a week after Las Vegas, NRA Country's biggest stars are distancing themselves from the org. My latest:https://t.co/1p7jrojrGd

— Jonathan Bernstein (@jonbern) October 5, 2017

Ned otm

Whoa, forgot to bookmark this thread. Yeah hey I'm not an Alex Jones false flag fucknut, I'm actually in line with what the Sheriff said: "Maybe he was a superhuman who figured this out all on his own but it would be hard for me to believe that.” I have no idea who or what helped him, but at the moment the police are fairly certain he had assistance. So it's a developing story. Motive will not explain senseless murder but it's absolutely not a "who cares" issue. We can have a larger conversation about gun control & also be curious to see a fuller picture of how & why this went down. And by the way, conspiracy theories =/= "false flag" / "crisis actors." Conspiracy theories are a form of coping & I understand people that are searching for meaning or a culprit in an incomprehensible tragedy. It's not the same as denying the Holocaust, or harassing Sandy Hook parents.

It's not always the same, but it's a pretty slippery slope.

Yes, that's true. I don't take conspiracy theories lightly, but because of Alex Jones, it's become a grotesque hobby for thousands (millions?) of people, which is disgusting. But to dismiss any curiosity or desire to know more about a particular case as batshit or offensive or "who cares" is painting with a broad brush. Understandable, once again InfoWars has made this topic so fucking toxic & disgusting. But wanting to know more, searching for meaning, speaking from my own experience, it's a form of coping. I don't claim to know anything about this but it's obvious there are major details missing. I understand people that don't care, but it's not inherently gross to wonder.

I'm actually in line with what the Sheriff said: "Maybe he was a superhuman who figured this out all on his own but it would be hard for me to believe that.”

The sheriff (and you) both sound like mouth-breathing idiots fwiw:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-04/clark-county-sheriff-says-hard-believe-shooter-didnt-have-help-unless-hes-superman

zerohedge are you fuckin' kidding me

Oh fuck off

Also, your pull-quote as-is is only featured on the infowars and whitelivesmatter/crackergrandpa.facebook.newz outlets as well so there's that.

So yeah find me your exact quote on a legit non-alt-right website and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but until then, gtfoh with your bullshit.

Watch a video of the press conference. here's Deadline fwiw: "It was also said that Paddock may have had some kind of assistance. It was revealed that he made an escape plan that he could have pulled off alone only if he 'had been a superhero.'"

yeah he had help, he had stores willing to sell him unlimited guns and ammo and a society that's cool with that. I'd question whether lugging in a bunch of duffel bags over the course of days was suspicious, but really, not knowing how long he took to set this up it could just be normal eccentric guest behavior

an escape plan that he could have pulled off alone

escape plan! he didn't escape

I have a ton of plans that I could only pull off if I was a superhero but that I can't because I'm not a superhero so what's even the point of bringing them up, particularly if I've opted to kill myself instead of trying to implement one of my impossible plans.

I'm just imagining a crude drawing of him jumping out of the window unharmed and bouncing hundreds of miles across the desert.

xxp

yes! it's completely plausible he acted alone. & also possible he didn't. Wouldn't have brought this up unless the Sheriff said as much. Tried to do it respectfully & without claiming anything insane. Just FYI, I don't fuck with any alt-right bullshit. Not my bag. I'll dip out now, don't want to distract from the (much more valuable & urgent) discussion about gun control & our societal problems.

I adore the NRA's hamhanded dig at Obama ("This'll kill'em!").

sad fact is that it's fairly easy for man with the will, time, and means to plan and carry out something like this. amazing thing is that it doesn't happen more often.

this is plenty often

I just can't believe he was shooting at fuel tanks. Not sure what the fuck he thought was going to happen.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-targeted-aviation-fuel-tanks-source-says/

https://res.cloudinary.com/stephens-media/image/upload/v1507173957/webSHOOT_targets_Oct5-17_copy_new.jpg

my guess would be accidental misfire, ricochet, something like that?

or he thought it was some call of duty shit that would result in a massive explosion?

lol yeah

yeah probably...

A source knowledgeable about airport operations said jet fuel is hard to ignite and tanks like those across from Mandalay Bay have mechanisms in place to prevent fires.

Mike Boyd, a Colorado-based aviation consultant, echoed those words.

“A machine gun is not going to blow up a tank of fuel,” Boyd said. “Jet fuel itself sitting there in a big wet pile is very hard to ignite. You have to be a very amateur terrorist to think anything like that.”

http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/mythbusters-database/shooting-gas-tank/

if he did in fact believe that they'd blow up and he took some of his limited shooting time to aim there, i guess that's a silver lining. possibly it prevented him from killing a few more people.

Jet fuel can't melt steel tanks

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/06/the-argument-gun-rights-supporters-cant-respond-to

crossposted to actual gun thread

Why does he think gun nuts wouldnt want a death app, of course they would

the would want it if the government or criminals could have it. they'd want it even more if it had chat and themed skins.

Why does he think gun nuts wouldnt want a death app, of course they would

― Οὖτις, Thursday, October 5, 2017 6:18 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think there are plenty of gun owners and likers that wouldn't scan to most people as "gun nuts" that would definitely not want a death app

These are ppl that believe randomized mass murder is a necessary component of a free society, they are beyond logic and morality.

the level of preparation is very disquieting
the cameras, the platform, bringing up bags of ammo at intervals so as not to alert security
he had the hotel hallway doors blocked on his floor
and it seems like he had been either scouting locations or doing reconnaisance elsewhere for quite some time

i dunno how he preps for as long he seemed to without some of those preparations being noticed by ppl around you

based on what we know, i imagine he was very private (trying to erect a fence that would block the neighbors' view of his house) and his relationship w/his gf seemed to be one where he was very controlling, so he probably had a space where his guns were that she was not allowed to enter (or that he kept from her) and likely didn't enter or know about it. all the scouting would require is online maps, schedules, etc. buying the guns is of course (ugh) pretty easy for a normal law abiding fella. the rest got mailed to him. all he needed was to be meticulous and careful. which is why he didn't even bother going to the hotel overlooking Lollapalooza, and probably never even bothered going to Chicago. because how the hell would be get guns there? Same deal with his research into hotels around Fenway in Boston. And who knows where else?

i mean i guess maybe she did know about the guns, but some people are just collectors. i'm sure she'll have more to tell unless she really didn't know anything whatsoever.

And some hotels you can get to the elevators without going past the front desk (The Bonaventure in Los Angeles is this way), so if the Mandalay Bay is that way he could have gotten a lot of stuff into his room without arousing any suspicion.

guarantee that there will soon be security footage of him coming and going in and out of the hotel, re-entering with bags and so on.

If you rent a suite for a week anywhere, I imagine you can truck up all kinds of funky-looking bags without much notice.

The security control that might have helped a lot would be shatter alarms for the windows - I don’t blame them for not having that, though.

I bet it’ll be a thing soon enough. Shatter alarms are cheap compared to the suits they’re preparing for

then again, all the true crime shit i’ve read & heard over the years, it’s absolutely true that family & friends can live around or adjacent to ppl capable of all kinds of horrors & never recognize their behaviour as strange or unusual ...and if they do they dont want to believe it & compartmentalize/rationalize it ... and certain types of heinous ppl have their shit on supreme lockdown too so they dont give much away anyway ... so it shouldnt surprise me that noone knew anything

yeah i think the prime example of that is something like the BTK killer, who was a family man and a pillar of the community.

WSJ posted a profile earlier today but no real new details aside from a note about a valium prescription the shooter had

Man I've never believed that all ppl will have some kinda kobayashi moment and the truth pours out, but here?