the level of preparation is very disquieting the cameras, the platform, bringing up bags of ammo at intervals so as not to alert securityhe had the hotel hallway doors blocked on his floor and it seems like he had been either scouting locations or doing reconnaisance elsewhere for quite some time i dunno how he preps for as long he seemed to without some of those preparations being noticed by ppl around you
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 5 October 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link
based on what we know, i imagine he was very private (trying to erect a fence that would block the neighbors' view of his house) and his relationship w/his gf seemed to be one where he was very controlling, so he probably had a space where his guns were that she was not allowed to enter (or that he kept from her) and likely didn't enter or know about it. all the scouting would require is online maps, schedules, etc. buying the guns is of course (ugh) pretty easy for a normal law abiding fella. the rest got mailed to him. all he needed was to be meticulous and careful. which is why he didn't even bother going to the hotel overlooking Lollapalooza, and probably never even bothered going to Chicago. because how the hell would be get guns there? Same deal with his research into hotels around Fenway in Boston. And who knows where else?
― nomar, Thursday, 5 October 2017 23:47 (six years ago) link
i mean i guess maybe she did know about the guns, but some people are just collectors. i'm sure she'll have more to tell unless she really didn't know anything whatsoever.
― nomar, Thursday, 5 October 2017 23:48 (six years ago) link
And some hotels you can get to the elevators without going past the front desk (The Bonaventure in Los Angeles is this way), so if the Mandalay Bay is that way he could have gotten a lot of stuff into his room without arousing any suspicion.
― nickn, Friday, 6 October 2017 00:15 (six years ago) link
guarantee that there will soon be security footage of him coming and going in and out of the hotel, re-entering with bags and so on.
― nomar, Friday, 6 October 2017 00:18 (six years ago) link
If you rent a suite for a week anywhere, I imagine you can truck up all kinds of funky-looking bags without much notice.The security control that might have helped a lot would be shatter alarms for the windows - I don’t blame them for not having that, though. I bet it’ll be a thing soon enough. Shatter alarms are cheap compared to the suits they’re preparing for
― El Tomboto, Friday, 6 October 2017 00:21 (six years ago) link
then again, all the true crime shit i’ve read & heard over the years, it’s absolutely true that family & friends can live around or adjacent to ppl capable of all kinds of horrors & never recognize their behaviour as strange or unusual ...and if they do they dont want to believe it & compartmentalize/rationalize it ... and certain types of heinous ppl have their shit on supreme lockdown too so they dont give much away anyway ... so it shouldnt surprise me that noone knew anything
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 October 2017 01:11 (six years ago) link
yeah i think the prime example of that is something like the BTK killer, who was a family man and a pillar of the community.
― nomar, Friday, 6 October 2017 01:13 (six years ago) link
WSJ posted a profile earlier today but no real new details aside from a note about a valium prescription the shooter had
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 6 October 2017 01:21 (six years ago) link
Man I've never believed that all ppl will have some kinda kobayashi moment and the truth pours out, but here?
― felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Friday, 6 October 2017 02:39 (six years ago) link
Meant that moment in the soze sense, not the maru sense.
― felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Friday, 6 October 2017 02:43 (six years ago) link
This guy was preparing for a final party, like the coke binge to end all coke binges. My guess is he did this for fun, and he happened to have the means and encouragement to do it.
― carpet_kaiser, Friday, 6 October 2017 02:44 (six years ago) link
Excitement. Fantasy fulfillment. Vengeance for a lifetime of slights. Anything's possible for the high-functioning sociopath.
― prelude to abjection (Sanpaku), Friday, 6 October 2017 02:48 (six years ago) link
Checking into hotels is going to become a drag and music festivals are going to disappear from urban areas and no major changes will be made to gun laws.
― Three Word Username, Friday, 6 October 2017 06:37 (six years ago) link
And if you're rich enough to rent half a floor of the Mandalay Bay, nothing at all will change for you.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 6 October 2017 07:19 (six years ago) link
gun control legislation is so cut and dry at this point that even Scott Adams manages to make some sense on the issue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8gX4ETIQBo
(also, lmao @ his the idiot fanbase he's cultivated almost unanimously turning against him for this)
― frogbs, Friday, 6 October 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link
Why does he think gun nuts wouldnt want a death app, of course they would
― Οὖτις
gun nuts? this is just The Button. i want The Button!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7rzIwrEqpw
― bob lefse (rushomancy), Friday, 6 October 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link
music festivals are going to disappear from urban areas
this would be awesome tbh
― Οὖτις, Friday, 6 October 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
Still no motive, police confident no other shooter.
https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/police-fbi-still-searching-for-motive-days-after-mass-shooting-on-las-vegas-strip/
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 October 2017 21:45 (six years ago) link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covina_massacre
^^ we're getting to the point where high schools have more than one guy like this among their notable alumni
― nomar, Saturday, 7 October 2017 12:53 (six years ago) link
Most likely motive at this point is that he did it for megalolz
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 7 October 2017 13:26 (six years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/09/us/las-vegas-stephen-paddock-deposition/index.html
He described himself as being, at one point, the "biggest video poker player in the world.""How do I know that?" Paddock asked rhetorically. "Because I know some of the video poker players that play big. Nobody played as much and as long as I did."At the height of his play in 2006, he testified, "I averaged 14 hours a day, 365 days a year.""I'll gamble all night," he said. "I sleep during the day."Asked if he ever visited the hotel pool, Paddock replied, "I do not do sun."Paddock said he rarely drank alcohol when he gambled, because "at the stakes I play, you want to have all your wits about you, or as much wit as I have.""Each time I push the button, it will range from $100 to $1,350," he said.A lawyer asked how much he could end up betting on a given night."A million dollars," Paddock replied."That's a lot of money," the lawyer said."No, it's not," Paddock said.
"How do I know that?" Paddock asked rhetorically. "Because I know some of the video poker players that play big. Nobody played as much and as long as I did."
At the height of his play in 2006, he testified, "I averaged 14 hours a day, 365 days a year."
"I'll gamble all night," he said. "I sleep during the day."
Asked if he ever visited the hotel pool, Paddock replied, "I do not do sun."
Paddock said he rarely drank alcohol when he gambled, because "at the stakes I play, you want to have all your wits about you, or as much wit as I have."
"Each time I push the button, it will range from $100 to $1,350," he said.
A lawyer asked how much he could end up betting on a given night.
"A million dollars," Paddock replied.
"That's a lot of money," the lawyer said.
"No, it's not," Paddock said.
― nomar, Monday, 9 October 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link
I know it's probably popular and not subject to all of the fame and human interaction of normal poker tables but seriously who the fuck spends a ton of money on VIDEO poker
― mh, Monday, 9 October 2017 17:37 (six years ago) link
the "human interaction" part there is the answer within the question imo
this guy was going through life keeping his head down, not noticed, no red flags, because he was just an empty vessel.
― nomar, Monday, 9 October 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
the risk/reward/immediate payoff ratio of things like facebook is criticized because of the addictive quality, but those stakes are absolutely nothing compared to the idea of high stakes gambling with even fewer button-pushing options
dude was just sitting there for fourteen hours a day smacking the pavlovian reward buttons
― mh, Monday, 9 October 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
that is a weird thing to say about VIDEO poker. it's a slightly more complex slot machine.
― frogbs, Monday, 9 October 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
it would dull the constant prodding of the risk/reward center in the brain this guy was completely wrecking by playing video poker
people complain about video games wrecking the youth and making them violent, but.... fourteen hours of video poker
― mh, Monday, 9 October 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/homicide_51yr.JPG
The original Doom was in 1993.
My uncle, who died in January, was a Vietnam vet, a food-addict, unemployed and living off relatives and Veteran's/disability benefits for over a decade, and for some years towards the end of his life, a low-stakes video poker addict. He was already damaged long before the video poker found him, and it probably just provided a spritz of reward/dopamine that his subconscious found could self-medicate his overwhelming isolation/shame for a few moments. Not a violent bone in his body.
Paddock had his reasons to prefer video poker, and they were probably similar to his reasons to increasingly socially isolate himself. The gambling addiction (which he claimed to earn a living from) was more likely a symptom than cause.
― prelude to abjection (Sanpaku), Monday, 9 October 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
I'm curious how he "made a living" from video poker. I don't think that's a thing.
― frogbs, Monday, 9 October 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
Not only did Paddock buy the complex, he ran it as the manager and lived onsite as a way of holding expenses down, apparently keeping his own books on a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet rather than pay an accountant.His brother said the pair had been thrifty from the start, describing how they gutted and renovated a 20-unit building in Los Angeles largely themselves. Caring little about appearances, they bought cheap clothes from Walmart.Stephen Paddock sold the complex in November 2012, for $9.45 million: $1 million more than he paid.
His brother said the pair had been thrifty from the start, describing how they gutted and renovated a 20-unit building in Los Angeles largely themselves. Caring little about appearances, they bought cheap clothes from Walmart.
Stephen Paddock sold the complex in November 2012, for $9.45 million: $1 million more than he paid.
For a high stakes gambler that boasted a million isn't a lot, he sure seemed to work quite hard to make one.
― calzino, Monday, 9 October 2017 19:34 (six years ago) link
hmm what happened between 1968 and 2000 to account for that huge spike I wonder
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 October 2017 19:48 (six years ago) link
Baby boomers coming of age; globalization/ending of American exceptionalism; collapse of hope in a brighter future especially in urban areas; "rationalization" through violence of illegal drug distribution networks.
There was a rise in homocide of comparable magnitude and length from 1911-1941, and the same factors were probably at play: demographics, economic expectation, drug prohibition.
― prelude to abjection (Sanpaku), Monday, 9 October 2017 20:05 (six years ago) link
possibly relevant, possibly erroneous correlations with leaded gasoline, and as Shakey implies, waves of veterans of foreign conflict
― mh, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link
Lol wow guys my answer to my rhetorical question was actually the War on Drugs
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:13 (six years ago) link
hey there's that too
― mh, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
lol
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Monday, 9 October 2017 20:17 (six years ago) link
Shakey, I looked them up and The War on Drugs didn't form until 2005
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Monday, 9 October 2017 20:18 (six years ago) link
When I heard this guy was 64 years old my immediate thought was that he's in my parents' peer group, and how many of their peers their age (but mostly a few years older) were vietnam vets
also DJP with the post I dared not make
― mh, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:18 (six years ago) link
I just set 'em up
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
groan.
― Nhex, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link
whatever the cause might be i think it would help to have a deeper understanding about this trend.
― nomar, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:23 (six years ago) link
all "Gamblers" creep me out, but to do nothing other than video poker seems like an even creepier subset. It is amusing how they seem to fall for the ego stroking casinos do. Love to brag about the "free" stuff they get, their VIP cards and whatnot. Get off on "beating the system", in addition to the obv risk/reward hits mentioned already.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 9 October 2017 22:12 (six years ago) link
― nomar, Monday, October 9, 2017 4:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id41TAFnMn0
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 October 2017 22:21 (six years ago) link
To have this level of access to money and do THIS with it is what will eternally baffle me about gambling. What a fucking waste.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 9 October 2017 22:40 (six years ago) link
14 hrs a day of video poker for who knows how long def sets the scene for some deep-seated disassociation
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 October 2017 23:01 (six years ago) link
I worked as a betting shop manager for years and always remember the ashen faced look on this bloke who had done in 7 grand in an afternoon. Before he left the shop looking completely broken, he says with nil conviction to save face: It's a good job I had a good day yesterday.
― calzino, Monday, 9 October 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
Gambling is one dangerous and unhealthy activity to get caught up in.
― Tom's Tits Experiment (Tom D.), Monday, 9 October 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link
It's all relative, some people get into financial trouble doing too many 10p Lucky 15's or £3 Irish lottery bets. But yeah gambling is just as deadly as crack cocaine. I have done £1000 bets before, but only with my employers money - which is apart from getting shot at by armed robbers - the main reason I stopped being a betting shop manager!
― calzino, Monday, 9 October 2017 23:18 (six years ago) link
It used to be refereed to as "having an adventure" amongst other betting shop managers. Like if a friend from another shop phoned me and I was deep in the shit. i'd say: "Sorry I've gotta go, I'm having an adventure and I'm way down". Such degenerate days!
― calzino, Monday, 9 October 2017 23:27 (six years ago) link
The Manila casino attacker (who ISIS also falsely claimed) was another indebted poker player.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 9 October 2017 23:37 (six years ago) link