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he's also tacitly admitted it on twitter

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 5 October 2017 23:57 (six years ago) link

he's disputing it afaict

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 5 October 2017 23:57 (six years ago) link

Doesn't the story say he says 'that wasn't me' after being emailed at the address in the emails?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 October 2017 23:59 (six years ago) link

major bummer if true

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 6 October 2017 00:05 (six years ago) link

everyone is bad, you shouldn't actually like anything

global tetrahedron, Friday, 6 October 2017 00:07 (six years ago) link

wow @ moldbug watching the election at thiel's house

difficult listening hour, Friday, 6 October 2017 00:26 (six years ago) link

Not surprised but still hilarious that Bannon misuses "your" in those emails. Also lmao @ "You are magenalia."

flappy bird, Friday, 6 October 2017 01:26 (six years ago) link

magenalia = d&d supplement title

difficult listening hour, Friday, 6 October 2017 01:57 (six years ago) link

yeah it's a lars von trier/pta collab

flappy bird, Friday, 6 October 2017 01:57 (six years ago) link

The Land of Magenalia

flappy bird, Friday, 6 October 2017 01:58 (six years ago) link

Stealing that one, sorry Babo

flappy bird, Friday, 6 October 2017 01:58 (six years ago) link

No you didn't. https://t.co/xi7XYwTqMg

— đź’€zombiĂ« queenđź’€ (@UnburntWitch) October 6, 2017

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 6 October 2017 02:06 (six years ago) link

who would have thought that an industry based on building personality cults would be rife with sociopaths. i'm just glad i have a new reason to give my mom when she asks why i just don't get a job in media—"you raised me too well and i'm not a sociopath"

maura, Friday, 6 October 2017 08:46 (six years ago) link

Huh, turns out the leftist feminists were correct all along.

Again.

Still, I'm sure lessons will be learned.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 6 October 2017 08:57 (six years ago) link

the Baked Alaska dude is a pretty amusing sidelight to this story, this "alpha male" constantly posting videos of himself getting brutally owned over and over again feels like some kind of performance art

frogbs, Friday, 6 October 2017 12:47 (six years ago) link

A friend of mine knew him in high school and was not surprised at his general life arc.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 October 2017 13:16 (six years ago) link

was it widely known before this article that milo's stuff is often ghostwritten? don't think i'd heard that before

imagine being so dumb and/or lazy that you don't even write your own shitty copy

ATTACK MY RUSTY TOOLBOX (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 October 2017 14:15 (six years ago) link

less than two hours. dude pioneered an entirely new non-canon way of being mad online pic.twitter.com/LuWFzt4Wdn

— chris hooks (@cd_hooks) October 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 October 2017 14:21 (six years ago) link

was it widely known before this article that milo's stuff is often ghostwritten? don't think i'd heard that before

It's so awful in a boring way that anyone coudl have written it, including Milo if he wasn't a lazy coked-up monster.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 October 2017 14:25 (six years ago) link

xp man yall are vultures

j., Friday, 6 October 2017 14:33 (six years ago) link

there was a piece sometime last year about his 44 interns

maura, Friday, 6 October 2017 14:40 (six years ago) link

halfway to 88

ATTACK MY RUSTY TOOLBOX (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 October 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link

In an April 6 email, Allum Bokhari mentioned having had access to an account of Yiannopoulos’s with “a password that began with the word Kristall.” Kristallnacht, an infamous 1938 riot against German Jews carried out by the SA — the paramilitary organization that helped Hitler rise to power — is sometimes considered the beginning of the Holocaust. In a June 2016 email to an assistant, Yiannopoulos shared the password to his email, which began “LongKnives1290.” The Night of the Long Knives was the Nazi purge of the leadership of the SA. The purge famously included Ernst Röhm, the SA’s gay leader. 1290 is the year King Edward I expelled the Jews from England.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 October 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link

lol, he just had to share his edgy private passwords

jmm, Friday, 6 October 2017 14:53 (six years ago) link

those passwords don't look v secure imo, milo is bad at online security

ATTACK MY RUSTY TOOLBOX (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 October 2017 15:01 (six years ago) link

password creation tips: make your password your deepest, darkest secret. this will ensure that nobody will ever be able to guess it.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Friday, 6 October 2017 15:12 (six years ago) link

iluvgooodhair6969

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 October 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link

Lots of gamers getting pissed that the marketing for the new Wolfenstein game is blatantly anti-Nazi.

ian, Friday, 6 October 2017 15:17 (six years ago) link

yeah, we're talking about that a bit over on the videogame racism/sexism thread

ATTACK MY RUSTY TOOLBOX (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 October 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link

milo is bad at everything except getting attention. remember his first foray into media world fame?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/mar/01/the-kernel

maura, Friday, 6 October 2017 15:32 (six years ago) link

I see one of the intellectual godfathers of this whole mess is finding an elusive next level

Hitler was NOT anti-gay. He refused to purge gay Brownshirts from Nazi ranks saying he had no problem as long as they were good fighters

— Dinesh D'Souza (@DineshDSouza) October 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 October 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link

how dare you smear the name of Adolph Hitler

frogbs, Friday, 6 October 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link

i could have posted this to any number of current threads right now but might as well stick it here. what's really creepy about the alt-right, about the revelations in recent days, about the movement in general, is the self-satisfied gleefulness of the hatred and the manner in which these people thrive on making others feel subhuman, which by itself has always been around but now people are more willing to put their names and faces out there and not hide behind online personas as much. the alt-right figureheads are throwing chum into the water and seeing who flocks to them and organizing from there.

nomar, Friday, 6 October 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link

how dare you smear the name of Adolph Hitler

― frogbs

and about the lying fake news claiming he "only has one ball"...

bob lefse (rushomancy), Friday, 6 October 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link

Fucking weird tweet. I can't tell if Dinesh is just randomly praising Hitler or if that's part of his current campaign to associate the left with fascism, i.e. being not anti-gay is a left-wing thing and Hitler wasn't anti-gay, therefore Hitler was left-wing.

jmm, Friday, 6 October 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link

(obviously Hitler was in fact anti-gay)

jmm, Friday, 6 October 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link

When it suited him.

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 October 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link

i mean really:

The beginning of the Nazi terror against homosexuals was marked by the murder of Ernst Rohm on June 30, 1934: "the Night of the Long Knives. "Rohm was the man who, in 1919, first made Hitler aware of his own political potential, and the two were close friends for fifteen years. During that time, Rohm rose to SA Chief of Staff, transforming the Brownshirt militia from a handful of hardened goons and embittered ex-soldiers into an effective fighting force five hundred thousand strong ­­ the instrument of Nazi terror. Hitler needed Rohm's military skill and could rely on his personal loyalty, but he was ultimately a pragmatist. As part of a compromise with the Reichwehr (regular army) leadership, whose support he needed to become Fuhrer, Hitler allowed Goering and Himmler to murder Rohm along with dozens of Rohm's loyal officers.

For public relations purposes, and especially to quell the outrage felt throughout the ranks of the SA, Hitler justified his blatant power play by pointing to Rohm's homosexuality. Hitler, of course, had known of Rohm's homosexuality since 1919, and it became public knowledge in 1925, when Rohm appeared in court to charge a hustler with theft. All this while the Nazi Party had a virulently anti­gay policy, and many Nazis protested that Rohm was discrediting the entire Party and should be purged. Hitler, however, was quite willing to cover up for him for years ­­ until he stood in the way of larger plans.

* * *

The Nazi Party came to power in 1933, and a year later Rohm was dead. While Rohm and his men were being rounded up for the massacre (offered a gun and the opportunity to shoot himself, Rohm retorted angrily: “Let Hitler do his own dirty work”), the new Chief of Staff received his first order from the Fuhrer: “I expect all SA leaders to help preserve and strengthen the SA in its capacity as a pure and cleanly institution. In particular, I should like every mother to be able to allow her son to join the SA, Party, and Hitler Youth without fear that he may become morally corrupted in their ranks. I therefore request all SA commanders to take the utmost pains to ensure that offences under Paragraph 175 are met by immediate expulsion of the culprit from the SA and the Party.”

Hitler had good reason to be concerned about the reputation of Nazi organizations, most of which were based on strict segregation of the sexes. Hitler Youth, for example, was disparagingly referred to as Homo Youth throughout the Third Reich, a characterization which the Nazi leadership vainly struggled to eliminate. Indeed, most of the handful of publications on homosexuality which appeared during the Fascist regime were devoted to new and rather bizarre methods of “detection” and “prevention.”

Rudolf Diels, the founder of the Gestapo, recorded some of Hitler’s personal thoughts on the subject: “He lectured me on the role of homosexuality in history and politics. It had destroyed ancient Greece, he said. Once rife, it extended its contagious effects like an ineluctable law of nature to the best and most manly of characters, eliminating from the reproductive process precisely those men on whose offspring a nation depended. The immediate result of the vice was, however, that unnatural passion swiftly became dominant in public affairs if it were allowed to spread unchecked.”

* * *

The tone had been set by the Rohm putsch, and on its first anniversary-June 28, 1935, the campaign against homosexuality was escalated by the introduction of the “Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honour.” Until 1935, the only punishable offence had been anal intercourse; under the new Paragraph 175a, ten possible “acts” were punishable, including a kiss, an embrace, even homosexual fantasies! One man, for instance, was successfully prosecuted on the grounds that he had observed a couple making love in a park and watched only the man.

Under the Nazi system, criminal acts were less important in determining guilt than criminal intent. The “phenomenological” theory of justice claimed to evaluate a person's character rather than his deeds. The “healthy sensibility of the people” (gesundes Volksempfinden) was elevated to the highest normative legal concept, and the Nazis were in a position to prosecute an individual solely on the grounds of his sexual orientation. (After World War II, incidentally, this law was immediately struck from the books in East Germany as a product of Fascist thinking, while it remained on the books in West Germany.)

Once Paragraph 175a was in effect, the annual number of convictions on charges of homosexuality leaped to about ten times the number in the pre-Nazi period. The law was so loosely formulated that it could be ­­ and was applied against heterosexuals whom the Nazis wanted to eliminate. The most notorious example of an individual convicted on trumped-up charges was General Werner von Fritsch, Army Chief of Staff; and the law was also used repeatedly against members of the Catholic clergy. But the law was undoubtedly used primarily against gay people, and the court system was aided in the witch-hunt by the entire German populace, which was encouraged to scrutinize the behaviour of neighbours and to denounce suspects to the Gestapo. The number of men convicted of homosexuality during the Nazi period totaled around fifty thousand:

1933 — 853

1934 — 948

1935 — 2,106

1936 — 5,320

1937 — 8,271

1938 — 8,562

1939 — 7,614

1940 — 3,773

1941 — 3,735

1942 — 3,963

1943 (first quarter) — 966

1944-45 — ?

The Gestapo was the agent of the next escalation of the campaign against homosexuality. Ex-chicken farmer Heinrich Himmler, Reichsfuhrer SS and head of the Gestapo, richly deserves a reputation as the most fanatically homophobic member of the Nazi leadership. In 1936, he gave a speech on the subject of homosexuality and described the murder of Ernst Rohm (which he had engineered) in these terms: “Two years ago...when it became necessary, we did not scruple to strike this plague with death, even within our own ranks.” Himmler closed with these words: “Just as we today have gone back to the ancient Germanic view on the question of marriage mixing different races, so too in our judgment of homosexuality ­­ a symptom of degeneracy which could destroy our race ­­ we must return to the guiding Nordic principle: extermination of degenerates.”

nomar, Friday, 6 October 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link

It begins.

VICE tells BuzzFeed company has fired @mitchsunderland after emails to MILO were made public in @Bernstein report https://t.co/qGd4a6Gkmw pic.twitter.com/fv7Cl1W8a8

— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) October 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 October 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link

Rudolf Diels, the founder of the Gestapo, recorded some of Hitler’s personal thoughts on the subject: “He lectured me on the role of homosexuality in history and politics. It had destroyed ancient Greece, he said

Nixon agreed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMfVnBmpMm8

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 October 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link

Only someone abysmally ignorant of ancient Greece would think such nonsense.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 6 October 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link

of course they wave money around and don't tip

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 6 October 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link

Not that its needed but here is a nice response to Hitler was not anti gay nonsense:

Inaccurate. Whilst some homosexuals within S.A. ranks were briefly tolerated, the Night of Long Knives purge was justified on moral grounds https://t.co/Jp5L5rYTe0

— Huw Lemmey (@huwlemmey) October 6, 2017

This was quite nice in terms of some of the language in the buzzfeed piece (and others too):

I want to encourage people to consider the work that the words "snuck into" + "smuggled" are doing in these two recent articles.

— JessieNYC (@JessieNYC) October 6, 2017

xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 October 2017 19:46 (six years ago) link

lol Alfred first thing I thought of too

(fwiw just to be clear when I said "when it suited him" I was specifically referring to Hitler's overlooking Rohm's and the SA's homosexuality when it was in his interests)

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 October 2017 19:46 (six years ago) link

Hunh, I didn’t know Ernst Röhm was gay.

Also, if these fucks start doing that at your bar, how did the staff resist the temptation to either bottle them or go for the fire extinguishers?

Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Friday, 6 October 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link

Rohm didn't make a secret of it

SA intimidation contributed to the rise of the Nazis and the violent suppression of right-wing parties during electoral campaigns, but its reputation for street violence and heavy drinking was a hindrance, as was the open homosexuality of Röhm and other SA leaders such as his deputy Edmund Heines. One American journalist later wrote, "[Röhm's] chiefs, men of the rank of Gruppenfuehrer or Obergruppenfuehrer, commanding units of several hundred thousand Storm Troopers, were almost without exception homosexuals."[6] In 1931, the Münchener Post, a Social Democratic newspaper, obtained and published Röhm's letters to a friend discussing his homosexual affairs.

Hitler was aware of Röhm's homosexuality. At this point they were so close that they addressed each other as du (the German familiar form of "you"). No other top Nazi leader enjoyed that privilege, and their close association led to rumors that Hitler himself was homosexual. Röhm was the only Nazi leader who dared to address Hitler by his first name "Adolf" or his nickname "Adi" rather than "mein Führer."

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 October 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link

I'm still dying to know how buzzfeed got all their source material for that piece. its amazing.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 6 October 2017 21:06 (six years ago) link

i'm dying to read the full yarvin emails

Mordy, Friday, 6 October 2017 21:09 (six years ago) link


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