the risk/reward/immediate payoff ratio of things like facebook is criticized because of the addictive quality, but those stakes are absolutely nothing compared to the idea of high stakes gambling with even fewer button-pushing options
dude was just sitting there for fourteen hours a day smacking the pavlovian reward buttons
― mh, Monday, 9 October 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
Paddock said he rarely drank alcohol when he gambled, because "at the stakes I play, you want to have all your wits about you, or as much wit as I have."
that is a weird thing to say about VIDEO poker. it's a slightly more complex slot machine.
― frogbs, Monday, 9 October 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
it would dull the constant prodding of the risk/reward center in the brain this guy was completely wrecking by playing video poker
people complain about video games wrecking the youth and making them violent, but.... fourteen hours of video poker
― mh, Monday, 9 October 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link
https://mises.org/sites/default/files/styles/full_width/public/homicide_51yr.JPG
The original Doom was in 1993.
My uncle, who died in January, was a Vietnam vet, a food-addict, unemployed and living off relatives and Veteran's/disability benefits for over a decade, and for some years towards the end of his life, a low-stakes video poker addict. He was already damaged long before the video poker found him, and it probably just provided a spritz of reward/dopamine that his subconscious found could self-medicate his overwhelming isolation/shame for a few moments. Not a violent bone in his body.
Paddock had his reasons to prefer video poker, and they were probably similar to his reasons to increasingly socially isolate himself. The gambling addiction (which he claimed to earn a living from) was more likely a symptom than cause.
― prelude to abjection (Sanpaku), Monday, 9 October 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
I'm curious how he "made a living" from video poker. I don't think that's a thing.
― frogbs, Monday, 9 October 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
Not only did Paddock buy the complex, he ran it as the manager and lived onsite as a way of holding expenses down, apparently keeping his own books on a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet rather than pay an accountant.His brother said the pair had been thrifty from the start, describing how they gutted and renovated a 20-unit building in Los Angeles largely themselves. Caring little about appearances, they bought cheap clothes from Walmart.Stephen Paddock sold the complex in November 2012, for $9.45 million: $1 million more than he paid.
His brother said the pair had been thrifty from the start, describing how they gutted and renovated a 20-unit building in Los Angeles largely themselves. Caring little about appearances, they bought cheap clothes from Walmart.
Stephen Paddock sold the complex in November 2012, for $9.45 million: $1 million more than he paid.
For a high stakes gambler that boasted a million isn't a lot, he sure seemed to work quite hard to make one.
― calzino, Monday, 9 October 2017 19:34 (six years ago) link
hmm what happened between 1968 and 2000 to account for that huge spike I wonder
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 October 2017 19:48 (six years ago) link
Baby boomers coming of age; globalization/ending of American exceptionalism; collapse of hope in a brighter future especially in urban areas; "rationalization" through violence of illegal drug distribution networks.
There was a rise in homocide of comparable magnitude and length from 1911-1941, and the same factors were probably at play: demographics, economic expectation, drug prohibition.
― prelude to abjection (Sanpaku), Monday, 9 October 2017 20:05 (six years ago) link
possibly relevant, possibly erroneous correlations with leaded gasoline, and as Shakey implies, waves of veterans of foreign conflict
― mh, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:06 (six years ago) link
Lol wow guys my answer to my rhetorical question was actually the War on Drugs
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:13 (six years ago) link
hey there's that too
― mh, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
lol
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Monday, 9 October 2017 20:17 (six years ago) link
Shakey, I looked them up and The War on Drugs didn't form until 2005
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Monday, 9 October 2017 20:18 (six years ago) link
When I heard this guy was 64 years old my immediate thought was that he's in my parents' peer group, and how many of their peers their age (but mostly a few years older) were vietnam vets
also DJP with the post I dared not make
― mh, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:18 (six years ago) link
I just set 'em up
― Οὖτις, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
groan.
― Nhex, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link
whatever the cause might be i think it would help to have a deeper understanding about this trend.
― nomar, Monday, 9 October 2017 20:23 (six years ago) link
all "Gamblers" creep me out, but to do nothing other than video poker seems like an even creepier subset. It is amusing how they seem to fall for the ego stroking casinos do. Love to brag about the "free" stuff they get, their VIP cards and whatnot. Get off on "beating the system", in addition to the obv risk/reward hits mentioned already.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 9 October 2017 22:12 (six years ago) link
― nomar, Monday, October 9, 2017 4:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id41TAFnMn0
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 October 2017 22:21 (six years ago) link
To have this level of access to money and do THIS with it is what will eternally baffle me about gambling. What a fucking waste.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 9 October 2017 22:40 (six years ago) link
14 hrs a day of video poker for who knows how long def sets the scene for some deep-seated disassociation
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 October 2017 23:01 (six years ago) link
I worked as a betting shop manager for years and always remember the ashen faced look on this bloke who had done in 7 grand in an afternoon. Before he left the shop looking completely broken, he says with nil conviction to save face: It's a good job I had a good day yesterday.
― calzino, Monday, 9 October 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
Gambling is one dangerous and unhealthy activity to get caught up in.
― Tom's Tits Experiment (Tom D.), Monday, 9 October 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link
It's all relative, some people get into financial trouble doing too many 10p Lucky 15's or £3 Irish lottery bets. But yeah gambling is just as deadly as crack cocaine. I have done £1000 bets before, but only with my employers money - which is apart from getting shot at by armed robbers - the main reason I stopped being a betting shop manager!
― calzino, Monday, 9 October 2017 23:18 (six years ago) link
It used to be refereed to as "having an adventure" amongst other betting shop managers. Like if a friend from another shop phoned me and I was deep in the shit. i'd say: "Sorry I've gotta go, I'm having an adventure and I'm way down". Such degenerate days!
― calzino, Monday, 9 October 2017 23:27 (six years ago) link
The Manila casino attacker (who ISIS also falsely claimed) was another indebted poker player.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 9 October 2017 23:37 (six years ago) link
xp that's beautiful and horrifying
― j., Tuesday, 10 October 2017 01:46 (six years ago) link
Some personal detail from the killer from his own deposition a couple of years back. Still doesn't indicate much.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/09/us/las-vegas-stephen-paddock-deposition/index.html
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 02:25 (six years ago) link
What fucks me up about all of this is that right now a few people are out there quietly planning a large scale mass shooting and at least one of them is going to succeed. It's going to happen. And no one's doing anything to stop it and chances are it'll be a similarly low key person who in their day to day life doesn't register as a danger. At worst they register as troubled. And like I think I said at some point no one ever thinks someone no matter how troubled will go and do this.
― nomar, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 02:43 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/nyregion/police-shooting-lower-manhattan.html?_r=0
there's a truck ramming too. 2 dead. this is right across the st from our active demo site. our foreman saw the uhaul ram into ppl on the sidewalk...
― Mordy, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
i'm not getting a lot of details. my crew is really upset tho.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link
about a mile from my office
some of the initial news accounts had it as a ramming or a shooting
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/people-reportedly-shot-dead-downtown-manhattan-article-1.3602094
http://gothamist.com/2017/10/31/west_side_highway_shooting.php
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:13 (six years ago) link
got lots of texts about this from california folks, while meanwhile I had no clue about it around the corner here
― chinavision!, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:17 (six years ago) link
God fucking dammit
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link
The NYPD's official Twitter account has confirmed there are several fatalities and multiple injuries in the incident. Police say a vehicle entered the West Street pedestrian/bike path near Chambers Street, struck multiple victims in the path, then continued south until it struck another vehicle. The suspect then "displayed imitation firearms," per the NYPD, and was shot by officers.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:39 (six years ago) link
Reports of six dead and being treated as terrorist attack
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:45 (six years ago) link
Now we get to hear how we can't regulate guns because there are cars
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
I played little league at the elementary school next to Stuyvesant and walked across that bridge over West St. every day when I was a kid. I think about that area all the time. this is so fucked
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
so the suspect isnt white you say
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
i'm sure we'll get to hear about regulating certain people
― the late great, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link
According to an FDNY spokesperson, there are 15 injuries and six fatalities so far. Those numbers are preliminary and may change, the spokesperson said.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:58 (six years ago) link
Bingo!
TERROR in New York CityIdiot on CNN says "we need GUN control now"But it was a TRUCK that killed 6 people, not the terrorist's BB gun— Bare Politics (@barelypolitix) October 31, 2017
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link
fox only outlet brave enough to run with the terrorism angle
― the late great, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link
still unverified whether shots were or weren't fired
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:05 (six years ago) link
I'm basically down the street and around the corner and no one knew anything until my boyfriend texted me to be like "Hi are you alive?"
― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:06 (six years ago) link
Trump probably thanking Mammon right now
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:06 (six years ago) link
I hate myself but the first thing I thought of was Trump.
― Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:13 (six years ago) link
glad you're ok, in orbit. i used to take a long lunchbreak every few weeks and walk west on chambers all the way to the hudson, right by stuyvesant high school, so i can visualize right where it happened. :(
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:28 (six years ago) link