Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

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Good thread

Yet last year Nate Parker, who was acquitted of a rape charge almost 2 decades ago by a jury had to be gotten out of the paint immediately?

— Neo Liberal (@RickyRawls) October 10, 2017

flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link

someone dig up that Shcrader/Nastassja Kinski excerpt

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link

nice time to come up with a stunningly tin-eared take, P.S.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 17:07 (six years ago) link

And the hits just keep on coming: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/gwyneth-paltrow-angelina-jolie-harvey-weinstein.html

What was the last remotely useful thing Schrader did?

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link

his new movie is good

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link

When Gwyneth Paltrow was 22 years old, she got a role that would take her from actress to star: The film producer Harvey Weinstein hired her for the lead in the Jane Austen adaptation “Emma.” Before shooting began, he summoned her to his suite at the Peninsula Beverly Hills hotel for a work meeting that began uneventfully.

It ended with Mr. Weinstein placing his hands on her and suggesting they head to the bedroom for massages, she said.

“I was a kid, I was signed up, I was petrified,” she said in an interview, publicly disclosing that she was sexually harassed by the man who ignited her career and later helped her win an Academy Award.

She refused his advances, she said, and confided in Brad Pitt, her boyfriend at the time. Mr. Pitt confronted Mr. Weinstein, and soon after, the producer threatened her not to tell anyone else about his come-on. “I thought he was going to fire me,” she said.

Rosanna Arquette, a star of “Pulp Fiction,” has a similar account of Mr. Weinstein’s behavior, as does Judith Godrèche, a leading French actress. So does Angelina Jolie, who said that during the release of “Playing by Heart” in the late 1990s, he made unwanted advances on her in a hotel room, which she rejected.

“I had a bad experience with Harvey Weinstein in my youth, and as a result, chose never to work with him again and warn others when they did,” Ms. Jolie said in an email. “This behavior towards women in any field, any country is unacceptable.”

A New York Times investigation last week chronicled a hidden history of sexual harassment allegations against Mr. Weinstein and settlements he paid, often involving former employees, over three decades up to 2015. By Sunday evening, his entertainment company fired him.

On Tuesday, The New Yorker published a report that included multiple allegations of sexual assault, including forced oral and vaginal sex. The article also included accounts of sexual harassment going back to the 1990s, with women describing how intimidating Mr. Weinstein was.

Several days ago, additional actresses began sharing with The Times on-the-record stories of casting-couch abuses. Their accounts hint at the sweep of Mr. Weinstein’s alleged harassment, targeting women on the way to stardom, those who had barely acted and others in between. Fantasies that the public eagerly watched onscreen, the women recounted, sometimes masked the dark experiences of those performing in them.

The encounters they recalled followed a similar narrative: First, they said, Mr. Weinstein lured them to a private place to discuss films, scripts or even Oscar campaigns. Then, the women contend, he variously tried to initiate massages, touched them inappropriately, took off his clothes or offered them explicit work-for-sex deals.

In a statement on Tuesday, his spokeswoman, Sallie Hofmeister, said: “Any allegations of non-consensual sex are unequivocally denied by Mr. Weinstein. Mr. Weinstein has further confirmed that there were never any acts of retaliation against any women for refusing his advances. He will not be available for further comments, as he is taking the time to focus on his family, on getting counseling and rebuilding his life.”

Even in an industry in which sexual harassment has long persisted, Mr. Weinstein stands out, according to the actresses and current and former employees of the film companies he ran, Miramax and the Weinstein Company. He had an elaborate system reliant on the cooperation of others: Assistants often booked the meetings, arranged the hotel rooms and sometimes even delivered the talent, then disappeared, the actresses and employees recounted. They described how some of Mr. Weinstein’s executives and assistants then found them agents and jobs or hushed actresses who were upset.

His alleged behavior became something of a Hollywood open secret: When the comedian Seth MacFarlane announced Oscar nominees in 2013, he joked, “Congratulations, you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein.” The audience laughed. According to a 2015 memo by a former Weinstein Company executive that The Times previously disclosed, the misconduct continued.

More established actresses were fearful of speaking out because they had work; less established ones were scared because they did not. “This is Harvey Weinstein,” Katherine Kendall, who appeared in the film “Swingers” and television roles, remembers telling herself after an encounter in which she said Mr. Weinstein undressed and chased her around a living room. Telling others meant “I’ll never work again and no one is going to care or believe me,” she reasoned at the time, she said in a recent interview.

Ms. Paltrow, 45, is now an entrepreneur, no longer dependent on securing her next acting role. But she emphasized how much more vulnerable she felt at 22, when Mr. Weinstein had just signed her up for a star-making part. On a trip to Los Angeles, she received a schedule from her agents for the hotel meeting with Mr. Weinstein.

There was no reason to suspect anything untoward, because “it’s on the fax, it’s from C.A.A.,” she said, referring to Creative Artists Agency, which represented her.

When Mr. Weinstein tried to massage her and invited her into the bedroom, she immediately left, she said, and remembers feeling stunned as she drove away. “I thought you were my Uncle Harvey,” she recalled thinking, explaining that she had seen him as a mentor.

After she told Mr. Pitt about the episode, he approached Mr. Weinstein at a theater premiere and told him never to touch Ms. Paltrow again. Mr. Pitt confirmed the account to The Times through a representative.

Soon after, Mr. Weinstein called Ms. Paltrow and berated her for discussing the episode, she recalled. (She said she also told a few friends, family members and her agent.) “He screamed at me for a long time,” she said, once again fearing she could lose the role in “Emma.” “It was brutal.” But she stood her ground, she said, and insisted that he put the relationship back on professional footing.

Even as Ms. Paltrow became known as the “first lady of Miramax” and won an Oscar for “Shakespeare in Love” in 1999, very few people knew about Mr. Weinstein’s advances. “I was expected to keep the secret,” she said.

Like several of the other women interviewed for this article, she felt she had to suppress the experience. She praised Mr. Weinstein publicly, posed for pictures with him and played the glowing star to his powerful producer. Yet their work relationship grew rockier over the years, she said, and she distanced herself. “He was alternately generous and supportive and championing, and punitive and bullying,” she said.

Now, with the process of tallying the size and scope of Mr. Weinstein’s abuse allegations underway, Ms. Paltrow and others said they wanted to support women who had already come forward and help those in similar situations feel less alone.

“We’re at a point in time when women need to send a clear message that this is over,” Ms. Paltrow said. “This way of treating women ends now.”

nomar, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link

fortunately Weinstein didn't give that film the Wong or Bertolucci treatment

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link

okay I read Simon H's linked article up there and the last lines don't disappoint

The 2016 election demolished Clinton world once and for all, to be replaced by the cult of Obama, an austere sect designated by their tailored hair shirts with Nehru collars. “That is not who we are as Americans,” they chant, as Harvey Weinstein’s ashes are scattered in the wind.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link

what's wrong with tailored hair shirts with Nehru collars

flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link

xxxp wtf is wrong with Tablet Magazine?! Weirdest fucking media outlet, I really don't get it at all.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 17:42 (six years ago) link

What wit – I don't even know if those last two sentences are praise.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link

Excuses excuses

Manhattan DA’s office on Weinstein: "If we could have prosecuted Harvey Weinstein for the conduct that occurred in 2015, we would have." pic.twitter.com/Y5HslZORN4

— Dan Linden (@DanLinden) October 10, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link

Why can we not have this man beaten publicly?

It took 5 days for Hillary Clinton to say something on Weinsteinhttps://t.co/D8Gq6l5DOZ

— Chris Cillizza (@CillizzaCNN) October 10, 2017

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link

stopped clock finally hit upon a valid point

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link

LOL no he didn't, but as long as it's dragging a Clinton for something they aren't responsible I expect you to be on board.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link

DR MORBIUS AND OTHER DUMMIES: Why can't Clinton just shut up and go away?

ALSO DR MORBIUS AND OTHER DUMMIES: Why isn't Clinton saying anything about Weinstein?

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link

I'm surprised that flies and shit are in proximity.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link

related

Weinstein wasn’t always so pro-Obama. In 2008, he was a staunch Hillary Clinton backer during the acrimonious Democratic primary. During that cycle, the Democratic National Committee docked Michigan and Florida delegates for trying to jump the queue in scheduling primaries—a move that hurt Clinton’s chances against Obama. CNN reported that Weinstein threatened then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi, saying he would not give to congressional Democrats unless Pelosi backed a plan to hold revotes in those two states. Weinstein confirmed his pressure in a statement to Nikki Finke, but Pelosi did not budge and Obama won the primary. Notably, Pelosi does not appear on the list of candidates to whom Weinstein has given, though he did give to the DCCC after the clash.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/weinstein-democratic-bankroller/542202/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link

Hillary Clinton should also be fired from the Weinstein Company imo.

the scarest move i ever seen is scary move 4 (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link

And probably impeached.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:24 (six years ago) link

Well public statements about tolerating abhorrent behavior towards women put her in an awkward position

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link

XPS If only for the cuts she demanded be made to Shaolin Soccer.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link

Erica Garner noted today (with some horror) that Weinstein's was the endorsement the Clinton camp rolled out shortly after she endorsed Bernie.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link

Wow @ all of this

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link

That's kind of funny in light of Weinstein's emails specifically about the Garner endorsement and how they had to take some attention away from it -- like, having Weinstein himself endorse Clinton is not how I would think of going about trying to achieve that goal.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link

Why? Was it up to Hilary Clinton to break the Harvey Weinstein story? No, it very obviously was not, any more than it was up to McGowan or Paltrow or Jolie or any of these other women.

What is it that Clinton has not done in regards to this specific situation that you think she should have done or should now do? I'm going to assume that the money Weinstein donated and raised for her two failed Presidential campaigns is spent. It's gone. There's no giving it back. Should she give something back to someone out of her personal wealth now? If so, why? And who?

Should she not have ever taken money from him in the first place? That's about the only reasonable argument to be made here, but unless you, or Morbius, or Chris Cilizza know something that nobody else does, you can't definitively say "Clinton knew about Weinstein and took his money anyway."

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link

Several xps to man alive

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link

No dude, I'm saying she is obviously in an awkward position to make public statements about what kind of treatment of women should be tolerated because of her own husband.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:34 (six years ago) link

Oh, yeah, I forgot she's responsible for him and Weinstein both.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:35 (six years ago) link

As for what should have been done, idk, it certainly wasn't any one man or woman's special responsibility, but that's exactly the problem, the culture of tolerating whatever from "powerful people" because they are powerful; and it's not like those people tolerating him were minimum wage workers dependent on him so they could feed their kids; some of them were themselves powerful and sought not to rock the boat with him out of pure self-interest.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link

Oh, yeah, I forgot she's responsible for him and Weinstein both.

― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:35 PM (fifty-two seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Totally missing the point. I'm not saying it's her "fault" I'm just saying it sounds a little thin coming from her to say what kind of behavior should be tolerated when she clearly tolerates it.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link

also from the Atlantic

Malia Obama, Obama’s eldest daughter, interned for Weinstein this year.

BHO didn't read Gawker?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link

Tolerating a philandering husband who at worst took advantage of an eager intern is a lot different from tolerating a serial abuser and rapist. It's apples and snow tires.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:41 (six years ago) link

Bill Clinton has also been accused of rape.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link

"at worst" ... I think you mighta wanna read up

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link

But since Clinton also tolerated Weinstein, not sure what your "apples and snow tires" point is

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link

Even the Lewinsky stuff, however, I think if you can imagine the same scenario but just with any gross old man boss instead of the democratic savior of the 90s and it would seem a little worse than you are characterizing it.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link

PROVABLY at worst. Yes, I lived through the Paula Jones era, boys.

But since Clinton also tolerated Weinstein, not sure what your "apples and snow tires" point is

Again, this would be the "What did she know and when did she know it?" question, wouldn't it? Want to share, since obviously you know?

I'm glad the Usual Suspects have managed to identify the primary villain, Hilary Clinton, though.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link

is there a rule that every thread on this board must turn into a protracted argument about Hillary Clinton or something

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link

^^^^^

by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:48 (six years ago) link

Like, if you find yourself nodding along with Chris Cilizza, take a step back and reassess where you went wrong.

xp Don't make me pull an "I happen to have Marshall McLuhan right here" in re Lewinsky. She's been pretty upfront about her role and neither you nor I are in a position to gainsay her.

Anyway, Morbs still stans for both Allen and Polanski as artists so.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:50 (six years ago) link

i'm sorry, I can't get over the fact that David Sylvian chimed in on this on Twitter with the word 'fucker'. What a weird world this is.

akm, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link

Wagner wrote some pretty fair music.

I've said repeatedly that Allen hasn't made a good film in 20 years, so piss off.

xp

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link

wait till NRO cites David Sylvian – then it's a weird world

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:54 (six years ago) link

wow, i've never seen a tweet sweat before https://t.co/3PmQG6FkUS

— Kelly Weill (@KELLYWEILL) October 10, 2017

mookieproof, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link

PROVABLY at worst.

Virtually none of what's being discussed here is "provable" in a legal context so that's a bullshit framing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:01 (six years ago) link

always believe the woman (unless she's talking about Bill Clinton)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link

wonder if there's any chance of criminal charges against Weinstein

imo this is definitely going to happen i wouldn't be shocked if he fled the country

Mordy, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:07 (six years ago) link

xp that's fair enough, so I'll also just say that it was hard *at the time* to separate the signal from the noise re: Bill Clinton accusers given the poisonous atmosphere of political hit pieces against him -- drug trafficking, assassinations, and all that garbage. Bill Clinton probably did harass Jones and Willey. Broaddrick appears to have gone bonkers, so who knows with her.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link

🐦[wow, i’ve never seen a tweet sweat before https://t.co/3PmQG6FkUS🕸
— Kelly Weill (@KELLYWEILL) October 10, 2017🕸]🐦


bahahahhaba
Def check out second tweet where he says we’re living in a reverse Handmaid’s Tale world

flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:10 (six years ago) link


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