Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

Well public statements about tolerating abhorrent behavior towards women put her in an awkward position

XPS If only for the cuts she demanded be made to Shaolin Soccer.

Erica Garner noted today (with some horror) that Weinstein's was the endorsement the Clinton camp rolled out shortly after she endorsed Bernie.

Wow @ all of this

That's kind of funny in light of Weinstein's emails specifically about the Garner endorsement and how they had to take some attention away from it -- like, having Weinstein himself endorse Clinton is not how I would think of going about trying to achieve that goal.

Why? Was it up to Hilary Clinton to break the Harvey Weinstein story? No, it very obviously was not, any more than it was up to McGowan or Paltrow or Jolie or any of these other women.

What is it that Clinton has not done in regards to this specific situation that you think she should have done or should now do? I'm going to assume that the money Weinstein donated and raised for her two failed Presidential campaigns is spent. It's gone. There's no giving it back. Should she give something back to someone out of her personal wealth now? If so, why? And who?

Should she not have ever taken money from him in the first place? That's about the only reasonable argument to be made here, but unless you, or Morbius, or Chris Cilizza know something that nobody else does, you can't definitively say "Clinton knew about Weinstein and took his money anyway."

Several xps to man alive

No dude, I'm saying she is obviously in an awkward position to make public statements about what kind of treatment of women should be tolerated because of her own husband.

Oh, yeah, I forgot she's responsible for him and Weinstein both.

As for what should have been done, idk, it certainly wasn't any one man or woman's special responsibility, but that's exactly the problem, the culture of tolerating whatever from "powerful people" because they are powerful; and it's not like those people tolerating him were minimum wage workers dependent on him so they could feed their kids; some of them were themselves powerful and sought not to rock the boat with him out of pure self-interest.

Oh, yeah, I forgot she's responsible for him and Weinstein both.

― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:35 PM (fifty-two seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Totally missing the point. I'm not saying it's her "fault" I'm just saying it sounds a little thin coming from her to say what kind of behavior should be tolerated when she clearly tolerates it.

also from the Atlantic

Malia Obama, Obama’s eldest daughter, interned for Weinstein this year.

BHO didn't read Gawker?

Tolerating a philandering husband who at worst took advantage of an eager intern is a lot different from tolerating a serial abuser and rapist. It's apples and snow tires.

Bill Clinton has also been accused of rape.

"at worst" ... I think you mighta wanna read up

But since Clinton also tolerated Weinstein, not sure what your "apples and snow tires" point is

Even the Lewinsky stuff, however, I think if you can imagine the same scenario but just with any gross old man boss instead of the democratic savior of the 90s and it would seem a little worse than you are characterizing it.

PROVABLY at worst. Yes, I lived through the Paula Jones era, boys.

But since Clinton also tolerated Weinstein, not sure what your "apples and snow tires" point is

Again, this would be the "What did she know and when did she know it?" question, wouldn't it? Want to share, since obviously you know?

I'm glad the Usual Suspects have managed to identify the primary villain, Hilary Clinton, though.

is there a rule that every thread on this board must turn into a protracted argument about Hillary Clinton or something

^^^^^

Like, if you find yourself nodding along with Chris Cilizza, take a step back and reassess where you went wrong.

xp Don't make me pull an "I happen to have Marshall McLuhan right here" in re Lewinsky. She's been pretty upfront about her role and neither you nor I are in a position to gainsay her.

Anyway, Morbs still stans for both Allen and Polanski as artists so.

i'm sorry, I can't get over the fact that David Sylvian chimed in on this on Twitter with the word 'fucker'. What a weird world this is.

Wagner wrote some pretty fair music.

I've said repeatedly that Allen hasn't made a good film in 20 years, so piss off.

xp

wait till NRO cites David Sylvian – then it's a weird world

wow, i've never seen a tweet sweat before https://t.co/3PmQG6FkUS

— Kelly Weill (@KELLYWEILL) October 10, 2017

PROVABLY at worst.

Virtually none of what's being discussed here is "provable" in a legal context so that's a bullshit framing

always believe the woman (unless she's talking about Bill Clinton)

wonder if there's any chance of criminal charges against Weinstein

imo this is definitely going to happen i wouldn't be shocked if he fled the country

xp that's fair enough, so I'll also just say that it was hard *at the time* to separate the signal from the noise re: Bill Clinton accusers given the poisonous atmosphere of political hit pieces against him -- drug trafficking, assassinations, and all that garbage. Bill Clinton probably did harass Jones and Willey. Broaddrick appears to have gone bonkers, so who knows with her.

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— Kelly Weill (@KELLYWEILL) October 10, 2017🕸]🐦

Donna Karan checkin' in

"You look at everything all over the world today and how women are dressing and what they are asking by just presenting themselves the way they do. What are they asking for? Trouble."

"I don't think it's only Harvey Weinstein. I don't think we're only looking at him. I think we're looking at a world much deeper than that. Yes, I think he's being looked at right now as a symbol, not necessarily as him. I know his wife, I think they're wonderful people, Harvey has done some amazing things...."

http://gothamist.com/2017/10/10/donna_karan_harvey_weinste.php

/wonder if there's any chance of criminal charges against Weinstein/

imo this is definitely going to happen i wouldn't be shocked if he fled the country

yeah Karan stepped in that big time. Expect boycotts of her shit.

grotesque producer accused of raping beloved starlets & seems like tons of testimonies now. he can't buy his way out of this.

grotesque producer accused of raping beloved starlets & seems like tons of testimonies now. he can't buy his way out of this.

he's already been sacked, I'd be surprised if there are any more formal steps taken. either way, he's just one of scores.

Yeah HW is definitely not the exception to the rule wrt Hollywood producers im guessing

What's Bryan Singer got on his docket lately?

we're getting to the point (or getting to yet another point) where people who put the blinders on when they get to a certain age or position are having to wake the fuck up and realize they're complicit in things

the entire "oh but X did Y in 1990!" argument is bullshit because yeah, people should have been better about things thing, and being complicit then or deeming something socially tolerable nearly thirty years ago doesn't mean rolling on with that in 2017 is still going to fly

the short version is that people have assuming such casting couch arrangements, even when it's rape and not tacit quid pro quo, are just the cost of doing business. and, frankly, no.

tbrr the idea that hollywood includes all this shit as a matter of course and it's lurid tabloid material has propped up Weinstein more than hurt him, if you go by the anecdotes about his people dropping leads to the press

Anyway, Morbs still stans for both Allen and Polanski as artists so.

― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:50 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm on the record eviscerating Woody Allen fwiw

If various celebrities and politicians want to claim they knew nothing about the sexual assault allegations, I guess that's fine, there's a lot coming out about that now that maybe wasn't fully vocalized in the past. But anyone that was pals with Weinstein or happily took his money at least knew that he was a horrible person. I knew this and I know next to nothing about the movie biz.

From Terry Crews's Twitter -- he didn't thread these, but start here and scroll up:

This whole thing with Harvey Weinstein is giving me PTSD. Why? Because this kind of thing happened to ME. (1/Cont.)

— terrycrews (@terrycrews) October 10, 2017

kinda hard to work in that sphere while avoiding horrible people entirely. If you worked in nightclubs up through the '50s, you worked for gangsters, period.

I have to imagine if you grab at Terry Crews like that, you are secretly hoping to be flattened.

or expressing just how much power you perceive yourself to possess

^^^

tom cruise should have known better than to do that to terry crews. did he think he could get away with that because their names are pronounced the same?

I mean, that at least helps put the lie to the entire "if it was me I'd punch the guy or fight back" bullshit

the default human reaction for sexual harassment from someone you've met isn't some "oh shit, better fight back" reaction, especially if it's among a group of your peers and people with power

JFC no, it's not
anyone who thinks that is living in a magical imaginary world