Oh, yeah, I forgot she's responsible for him and Weinstein both.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:35 (six years ago) link
As for what should have been done, idk, it certainly wasn't any one man or woman's special responsibility, but that's exactly the problem, the culture of tolerating whatever from "powerful people" because they are powerful; and it's not like those people tolerating him were minimum wage workers dependent on him so they could feed their kids; some of them were themselves powerful and sought not to rock the boat with him out of pure self-interest.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:35 PM (fifty-two seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Totally missing the point. I'm not saying it's her "fault" I'm just saying it sounds a little thin coming from her to say what kind of behavior should be tolerated when she clearly tolerates it.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link
also from the Atlantic
Malia Obama, Obama’s eldest daughter, interned for Weinstein this year.
BHO didn't read Gawker?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link
Tolerating a philandering husband who at worst took advantage of an eager intern is a lot different from tolerating a serial abuser and rapist. It's apples and snow tires.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:41 (six years ago) link
Bill Clinton has also been accused of rape.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link
"at worst" ... I think you mighta wanna read up
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link
But since Clinton also tolerated Weinstein, not sure what your "apples and snow tires" point is
Even the Lewinsky stuff, however, I think if you can imagine the same scenario but just with any gross old man boss instead of the democratic savior of the 90s and it would seem a little worse than you are characterizing it.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
PROVABLY at worst. Yes, I lived through the Paula Jones era, boys.
Again, this would be the "What did she know and when did she know it?" question, wouldn't it? Want to share, since obviously you know?
I'm glad the Usual Suspects have managed to identify the primary villain, Hilary Clinton, though.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link
is there a rule that every thread on this board must turn into a protracted argument about Hillary Clinton or something
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link
^^^^^
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:48 (six years ago) link
Like, if you find yourself nodding along with Chris Cilizza, take a step back and reassess where you went wrong.
xp Don't make me pull an "I happen to have Marshall McLuhan right here" in re Lewinsky. She's been pretty upfront about her role and neither you nor I are in a position to gainsay her.
Anyway, Morbs still stans for both Allen and Polanski as artists so.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:50 (six years ago) link
i'm sorry, I can't get over the fact that David Sylvian chimed in on this on Twitter with the word 'fucker'. What a weird world this is.
― akm, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
Wagner wrote some pretty fair music.
I've said repeatedly that Allen hasn't made a good film in 20 years, so piss off.
xp
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
wait till NRO cites David Sylvian – then it's a weird world
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:54 (six years ago) link
wow, i've never seen a tweet sweat before https://t.co/3PmQG6FkUS— Kelly Weill (@KELLYWEILL) October 10, 2017
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link
PROVABLY at worst.
Virtually none of what's being discussed here is "provable" in a legal context so that's a bullshit framing
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:01 (six years ago) link
always believe the woman (unless she's talking about Bill Clinton)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link
wonder if there's any chance of criminal charges against Weinstein
imo this is definitely going to happen i wouldn't be shocked if he fled the country
― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:07 (six years ago) link
xp that's fair enough, so I'll also just say that it was hard *at the time* to separate the signal from the noise re: Bill Clinton accusers given the poisonous atmosphere of political hit pieces against him -- drug trafficking, assassinations, and all that garbage. Bill Clinton probably did harass Jones and Willey. Broaddrick appears to have gone bonkers, so who knows with her.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link
🐦[wow, i’ve never seen a tweet sweat before https://t.co/3PmQG6FkUS🕸— Kelly Weill (@KELLYWEILL) October 10, 2017🕸]🐦
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:10 (six years ago) link
Donna Karan checkin' in
"You look at everything all over the world today and how women are dressing and what they are asking by just presenting themselves the way they do. What are they asking for? Trouble."
"I don't think it's only Harvey Weinstein. I don't think we're only looking at him. I think we're looking at a world much deeper than that. Yes, I think he's being looked at right now as a symbol, not necessarily as him. I know his wife, I think they're wonderful people, Harvey has done some amazing things...."
http://gothamist.com/2017/10/10/donna_karan_harvey_weinste.php
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:11 (six years ago) link
/wonder if there's any chance of criminal charges against Weinstein/imo this is definitely going to happen i wouldn't be shocked if he fled the country
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:12 (six years ago) link
yeah Karan stepped in that big time. Expect boycotts of her shit.
― akm, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:15 (six years ago) link
grotesque producer accused of raping beloved starlets & seems like tons of testimonies now. he can't buy his way out of this.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:18 (six years ago) link
he's already been sacked, I'd be surprised if there are any more formal steps taken. either way, he's just one of scores.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
Yeah HW is definitely not the exception to the rule wrt Hollywood producers im guessing
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link
What's Bryan Singer got on his docket lately?
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link
we're getting to the point (or getting to yet another point) where people who put the blinders on when they get to a certain age or position are having to wake the fuck up and realize they're complicit in things
the entire "oh but X did Y in 1990!" argument is bullshit because yeah, people should have been better about things thing, and being complicit then or deeming something socially tolerable nearly thirty years ago doesn't mean rolling on with that in 2017 is still going to fly
the short version is that people have assuming such casting couch arrangements, even when it's rape and not tacit quid pro quo, are just the cost of doing business. and, frankly, no.
― mh, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
tbrr the idea that hollywood includes all this shit as a matter of course and it's lurid tabloid material has propped up Weinstein more than hurt him, if you go by the anecdotes about his people dropping leads to the press
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, October 10, 2017 2:50 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm on the record eviscerating Woody Allen fwiw
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
If various celebrities and politicians want to claim they knew nothing about the sexual assault allegations, I guess that's fine, there's a lot coming out about that now that maybe wasn't fully vocalized in the past. But anyone that was pals with Weinstein or happily took his money at least knew that he was a horrible person. I knew this and I know next to nothing about the movie biz.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
From Terry Crews's Twitter -- he didn't thread these, but start here and scroll up:
This whole thing with Harvey Weinstein is giving me PTSD. Why? Because this kind of thing happened to ME. (1/Cont.)— terrycrews (@terrycrews) October 10, 2017
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
kinda hard to work in that sphere while avoiding horrible people entirely. If you worked in nightclubs up through the '50s, you worked for gangsters, period.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
I have to imagine if you grab at Terry Crews like that, you are secretly hoping to be flattened.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:41 (six years ago) link
or expressing just how much power you perceive yourself to possess
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
^^^
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
tom cruise should have known better than to do that to terry crews. did he think he could get away with that because their names are pronounced the same?
― akm, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:47 (six years ago) link
I mean, that at least helps put the lie to the entire "if it was me I'd punch the guy or fight back" bullshit
the default human reaction for sexual harassment from someone you've met isn't some "oh shit, better fight back" reaction, especially if it's among a group of your peers and people with power
― mh, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 20:58 (six years ago) link
JFC no, it's notanyone who thinks that is living in a magical imaginary world
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 21:28 (six years ago) link
it's almost like the common denominator is power, which is primarily held in money
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 21:29 (six years ago) link
and men
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 21:31 (six years ago) link
yes
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 21:38 (six years ago) link
Rose McGowan is absolutely fierce on Twitter today. She's called out Affleck as a liar, claiming he absolutely knew about Weinstein, and she's started a petition calling for the entire TWC board to be dissolved.
― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:15 (six years ago) link
she's fantastic
― nomar, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:19 (six years ago) link
Tarantino still hasn't said a word, has he.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:23 (six years ago) link
I am sure he has said many, many words but none publicly
― mh, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
he was talking about how he shivered when he heard the news and wanted to find out more about it
What a great job Andy Muschetti has done in IT. It made me shiver. What other interesting things does Argentina have?— Quentin Tarantino (@qtarantino) October 9, 2017
sorry i misread that
― nomar, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link