Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

i know, i like him, i was looking forward to him going on the show, seemed like it was going to happen for a while & then Felix told him to get David Frum's dick out of his mouth

Menaker's statement was so obviously aimed at party leadership, not "Clinton supporters," and "bend the knee" is so obviously not a sexual idiom. Then we get three obviously cynical and wrong tweets, one implying that Menaker's statement was directed at "women and people of color," as though women and people of color don't comprise a huge part of the left wing of the party and the Clinton wing has some kind of monopoly on them. Then another, by a 100% in-the-tank Clintonite, deliberately and cynically misreads "bend the knee" as some kind of misogynist innuendo. Then Jeet coyly sidesteps by saying "Well these are misinterpretations, but the fact that the statement *could* be misinterpreted that way just shows..."

I don't know what the fuck he means by "dominance politics" anyway. Politics is always a contest for power.

yeah they weathered that storm pretty well & came out fine, the "bend the knee" thing didn't stick for long. & i really wouldn't take any of Jeet's criticisms seriously, bc they're just regurgitated & the whole piece is so lukewarm i am positive he had a deadline & had to turn something in real quick

I forgot what the context was... it was something where Clintonite/centrist Dems had totally failed (probably universal healthcare...oh! no I'm p sure it was when Trump said 'alt-left') but Will referenced the "bend the knee" thing a few months ago in a way that showed they'd come out stronger/their point was proven

it helped their case that the season of GOT that immediately followed featured characters saying "bend the knee" a ton lol

I don't know what the fuck he means by "dominance politics" anyway. Politics is always a contest for power.

I mean, there are compromises, but I think a lot of people who think "bipartisanship" is a value think the compromise is itself an ideal rather than just the end-result of an antagonistic process.

right, which in many ways is a serious copout - sticking by your beliefs & positions no matter the tsoris is difficult! especially when so many people and orgs could be throwing money your way so you can talk out of both sides of your mouth

a lot of people who think "bipartisanship" is a value think the compromise is itself an ideal rather than just the end-result of an antagonistic process.

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:41 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ding ding ding

Matt on the Dig:

https://www.blubrry.com/thedig/27971534/matt-christman-rants-raves-and-ruminates/

The Dig is a good show with a lot of good guests that y’all should hear if you haven’t yet

There are too many danged lefty podcasts now lol, I haven't even gotten to Citations Needed yet. I did see that Ta-Nehisi Coates was on Intercepted which I'll probably check out at some point.

a tooth and claw division of finite resources

the end-result of an antagonistic process... ding ding ding

just listening to TNC talk about this strong zero-sum assumption among trump whites vs. obama presidency.

not so much emphasizing that it was zero sum, but adverse to whites particularly.

I really enjoyed Matt's response (on the Dig) to the question about women's experience of the show -- basically "Yeah, I totally understand why a lot of them don't like it, and it's fine. We're supportive of feminism, but that doesn't mean women have to like listening to us."

Crossover with Weinstein/how dudes turn into assholes in groups thread.

Yeah, definitely. I mean they are kind of assholes at times, but I think they direct their assholish energy very productively on the whole.

https://i.imgur.com/uNjYdag.png

yup that was bad. will acknowledged as much; androsky is doubling down (for now)

we were trying to point out the hypocrisy of hollywood being anti-harvey and cosby still having a cosby star and completely fucked it up

— josh androsky🌹 (@ShutUpAndrosky) October 12, 2017

yeah, uh, that sucks, there's really no two ways about it. But some of the tweeters jumping on the pile are just anti-socialist shitheads anyway and gleeful for an excuse. As though Chapo invented DSA.

yeah i mean I can't even begin to peel back all of their layers of irony to get at what the word "libs" is supposed to be signifying there, especially next to "statue" so all I took away from it was just that they were trivializing sexual assault.

also when you fuck up you should not delete the fuckup

ugh i like the show & listen regularly but goddamn they are so fucking nerdy & have the most stilted & awkward sense of humor ever, it's of a piece with their bizarre problem with mispronouncing words, it's like they were never socialized before 2016

the ongoing Jared from Subway jokes are bad, dude is a child rapist, stop it

like how far away are they from the Rick & Morty maniacs that they spent 20+ minutes (rightly) mocking a few days ago

xp re: Jared... shit is just dumb & not funny & played the fuck out.

Only thing I really have a problem with is them naming and bringing up Comet Ping Pong regularly still. It was in the Patton episode. I think I already said this upthread but you know, Comet Ping Pong is an actual business whose reputation & image has been seriously damaged by all this Pizzagate nonsense, and for them to contribute to that for a stupid & unfunny running joke pisses me off. maybe just because it's relatively local to me & have always known it as a sick music venue & a great restaurant. Stop hurting their business you fux

I don't think anyone listening to CTH is avoiding Comet Ping Pong because they mention it? I thought it was a dumb pizza restaurant with a bad name but I'm increasingly interested in it

enh pizzagate is so insane I can't not find humor in it

I doubt they're really contributing to hurting the business (probably even helping), but I do feel like they didn't quite "get it" on Pizzagate, like they never really addressed the fact that there were a LOT of people who were quite deliberately in on it and not just hapless marks buying into conspiracy. It was a revenge scheme.

All I know is that people spend a lot of time telling me that these guys are really great and funny and insightful and I should really check them out because they are a necessary voice in today's climate, to the point where I think "maybe I'm being overly defensive; I should give these guys a chance" and then something like that Cosby tweet happens.

It certainly doesn't help.

It sounds like a rad place tbh, I'd check it out next time I'm in DC.

I've been, the pizza and beer are good, and they have ping pong, as advertised. Never seen a show there.

My brother played a show there earlier this summer; it's a fantastic venue.

I don't think anyone listening to CTH is avoiding Comet Ping Pong because they mention it? I thought it was a dumb pizza restaurant with a bad name but I'm increasingly interested in it

― mh, Thursday, October 12, 2017 2:16 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not my point. By continuing to mention it & associate it with an insane conspiracy theory involving child trafficking and pedophilia, you're fucking the people that work there & play there. You're contributing to a false cultural narrative where people from out of town will go to DC, visit Comet Ping Pong & immediately associate it with crazy conspiracy theories. I mean especially after that guy went in and shot a hole in the ceiling last year. I really resent it. Obv. Chapo is not the main driver behind this particular smear, I just find it especially dumb & inconsiderate of the people that work there, not only for their business but their safety.

enh pizzagate is so insane I can't not find humor in it

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.)

Sure, but you don't have to name the business that was falsely accused of it. You can leave out the name & the insanity of the conspiracy theory remains. have a ball

Cosby star tweet is so stupid & unfunny & another instance of them showing exactly who they are: unsocialized nerds that spend/spent too much time online & on Weird Twitter. they're friends with the Cum Town guys, who, you know, say what you will, but they're comedians, they have their thing & they stick to it. Chapo is both a vanguard political podcast that has had demonstrable effects on leftist & DSA interest in the USA but also they're Weird Twitter nerds that lack social graces & try to be funny & fail often. This is going to be a perpetual conversation as long as the show is on.

xp that's fair

also btw i'm not defending Chapo guy with that last sentence, I find it incredibly frustrating bc DJP's point is inarguable. this shit turns people off

I've been, the "pizza" and "beer" are good, and they have "ping pong," as advertised. Never seen a "show" there.

― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Thursday, October 12, 2017 2:20 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My brother "played a show" there earlier this summer; it's a fantastic venue.

― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Thursday, October 12, 2017 2:20 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

anyone that lives in the mid-atlantic area & was into music or in a band knew about Comet Ping Pong bc of their shows, or bc they played there. it's a sick venue

real sick

the only funny thing about the twitter fuckup is that Felix wasn't involved

Stav: Is there a liberal pizza chain?

Nick: Comet Ping Pong Pizza.

Adam: That’s not a chain.

Nick: Well, there’s chains in the basement.

— Cumtown Podcast (@cumtownpodcast) December 29, 2016

ok lol

I don't know where the line is for humor about atrocities of the well-known (not that that tweet is funny). Would this be roundly condemned by libs today?

http://www.rokemneedlearts.com/carsindepth/wordpressblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/vwkennedyad.jpg

Everyone has their own line. I mean yeah I find that Volkswagen ad hilarious, also the Cum Town quote, which is from nearly a year ago when the story was still ongoing. But Chapo keeps Comet Ping Pong in their regular rotation of running gags & promoted that fan-made poster with the restaurant's logo on it. I just think it's stupid. also Whiney idk where u live but imagine a sick music venue in yr town got accused of the stuff CPP did, yeah ha ha ha it was funny for a bit but a guy fucking shot the place up

difference obviously is Cum Town isn't representing anyone but themselves. Chapo is obv different... they're gonna keep hobbling themselves with boneheaded moves & statements & unforced errors like this bc they keep trying to be edgy & funny like their actual comedian friends & falling flat on their faces.

Outside of Amber's work off the 'cast, who is Chapo representing?

it's especially bad timing as their recent stretch of episodes were probably their most broadly palatable ever

"Chapo is the new Daily Show now that they've got a brown guy doing The Daily Show" has been my unkind takeaway.