latebloomer OTM. if your plot hole is a nonfunctional furnace in the back corner of the basement of a dilapidated structure that, 20 years later, has not been repaired and put into use, this thing is airtight.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
i found that essay compelling as a piece of writing but completely obtuse... like yes, this is the point of Blade Runner, and if your people are telling you the point is how many different versions there are you're talking to the wrong people.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link
if you're writing for tor.com as a science fiction or fantasy writer, and friends have told you about blade runner, then yeah... you're going to get a hodgepodge of basic plot, nerdery over changes and revision, and gossip about the "controversial" plot bits and not the key issues
ideally there'd be some deeper analysis but over the years the plot dissolves in aesthetics and behavior and the meta details, which is arguably a problem with new additions to old series and remakes -- they're more about the cultural observation of the original, and not the plot
― mh, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link
it's like reading 1984 and realizing that it's not all about big brother and dystopia, but at its heart it's about a man who is killing himself with fake gin and somehow pulls himself out of the greyness to make a choice
― mh, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 21:44 (six years ago) link
otm
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 21:45 (six years ago) link
ok nerds, wait for your next turgid fetish object
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 21:48 (six years ago) link
tbh my main takeaway from that tor.com thinkpiece is that you should not try to summarize the plot of blade runner after seeing it only once
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 21:50 (six years ago) link
whole lot of hostility to a first reaction piece
― mh, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 21:52 (six years ago) link
i missed the ridiculous bellows on the nu-voight kampff
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 21:56 (six years ago) link
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, October 11, 2017 2:48 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
blade runner 2049 in theaters now
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 22:07 (six years ago) link
i don’t think the tor.com piece is off the mark or even wrong and i think it’s good to reframe it in those termsit’s a useful perspective!
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link
yes. i thought the piece was excellent fwiw, yes it's extremely basic but that's its point
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 22:18 (six years ago) link
2049 fairly blatantly frames it in those terms and it really cheapens it. (weirdly when TNG does it, it's fine)
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 22:19 (six years ago) link
I think this movie is designed
― ryan, Thursday, 12 October 2017 00:12 (six years ago) link
Shitty day intervened so I was unable to see if I would be the only one in the theatre. Do androids dream of Schrodinger's cat?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 October 2017 00:34 (six years ago) link
Ha I was in the middle of type that when I got a call and I guess it posted?I meant to say: I think this movie is destined to be one that people remember when they talk about this era.
― ryan, Thursday, 12 October 2017 00:49 (six years ago) link
In 2000, Harrison Ford gave his view on the director's cut of the film, where he said that although he thought it was "spectacular", it didn’t "move him at all". He gave a brief reason: "They haven't put anything in, so it's still an exercise in design."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 October 2017 00:55 (six years ago) link
he hates everything tho
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 12 October 2017 01:04 (six years ago) link
well in terms of this and Han Solo, he has a point
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 October 2017 01:19 (six years ago) link
I heard he would continually forget Ryan goslings name in press junkets
― rip van wanko, Thursday, 12 October 2017 01:30 (six years ago) link
he’s also old and a well-known bullshitter who does a shtick
― mh, Thursday, 12 October 2017 01:33 (six years ago) link
8pm showing on a Wednesday (which is 2-4-1 if you’ve got the right insurance/phone etc) at the biggest cinema in town was about half full.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 12 October 2017 04:58 (six years ago) link
Initial thoughts:
I enjoyed this from a first viewing more than any single complete viewing of the first film.
The plot, emotionally, felt totally satisfactory to me; the 'holes' outlined above are not even remotely issues (multi-zillionaire businessman destroying his own expensive product prototype when it fails his brief, vs underpaid service class 'Joe' not being able to afford a real one? I bet Steve Jobs used to wipe his arse with failed prototype iPhones.)
It looks amazing, obviously; contained all the shots and vistas that could make it feel like Blade Runner, and added a huge amount of new stuff to flesh it out.
I am not a massive fan of the first film; I love the idea of it and the aesthetic, but have never found any of the versions to be satisfactory. I've rewatched the final cut on bluray twice in the last couple of weeks and still stand by this. As such I think this is a more satisfying film experience. Is it a 'better' film? God, I wouldn't want to begin to try and argue that.
Didn't check the time once, and I was watching it alone, slightly ill, with no popcorn or posh ice cream to distract me. Pacing felt absolutely fine.
So much better a resurrection than Prometheus. I've avoided Alien: Covenant.
Is it woke enough in 2017? Again, I wouldn't try and begin to argue either way. It's not depicting the world we live in, though, obviously.
Callbacks to the previous film worked better than other recent things I've seen.
Not perfect, but really damn good. Better than I expected or hoped it would be years ago when it was announced. Probably as good as I hoped when I watched Sicario and realised who Villeneuve was.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 12 October 2017 09:32 (six years ago) link
No thoughts beyond initial from you again, thanks.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 October 2017 11:18 (six years ago) link
Cheers for that then.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 12 October 2017 11:38 (six years ago) link
quit being a prick, julio -- it's not as if you routinely organise your thoughts clearly or well when you write them down
― mark s, Thursday, 12 October 2017 11:39 (six years ago) link
lol i just remembered when a young sick mouthy accused the entire borad of being "insufferable cunts" for not taking the strict sokalist line
― mark s, Thursday, 12 October 2017 11:43 (six years ago) link
hahahaha
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 12 October 2017 11:46 (six years ago) link
We're all a LOT older now.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 12 October 2017 11:47 (six years ago) link
Speak for yourself I am forever young and prickly
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 October 2017 12:45 (six years ago) link
Sorry will just keep to 'you are wrong, sir' in future
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 October 2017 12:47 (six years ago) link
yeah perhaps avoid trolling people like some forever 16-year-old brother
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 12 October 2017 12:56 (six years ago) link
That wasn't trolling, was merely disagreeing with a post that was v, v wrong. Thanks for your concern.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 October 2017 13:02 (six years ago) link
new board desc
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 12 October 2017 13:04 (six years ago) link
it was trolling -- you in yr pointless lol 4chan mode let's-destroy-other-ppl's-discussion-bcz-i'm-bored-at-work mode
― mark s, Thursday, 12 October 2017 13:18 (six years ago) link
People disagree on here all the time in various ways, the thread isn't locked, the thing is usually ignored and goes on.
I can see that my implied please stop posting on this is fucked but it was more of a way of expressing erm violent disagreement...but someone was going to come along and agree with it, the thread would have moved on.
So what is the actual problem?
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 October 2017 13:30 (six years ago) link
Do you really 'violently' disagree? Or do we just have different opinions about a movie? Cos it doens't matter. It's a movie! Let's talk about it, not be horrible to each other.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 12 October 2017 13:42 (six years ago) link
is this a movie to get heated about?
― rip van wanko, Thursday, 12 October 2017 13:46 (six years ago) link
digging back through the thread for points we (ok, I) hit:
fwiw Leto's androgynous look kind of makes him perfect to play an android.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, August 19, 2016 9:31 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what makes him androgynous
is it the pretty eyes
― mh, Friday, August 19, 2016 9:34 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the first thing he did was cover up his actual eyes to get "in character" oh boy
― mh, Thursday, 12 October 2017 13:50 (six years ago) link
also, I wrote this movie
Or they're hunting Deckard because he's the key to replicant longevity
or, completely unbelievable, there's a replicant child out there
― mh, Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:18 AM (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― mh, Thursday, 12 October 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link
Violently is v much in scare quotes. It was just my way of expressing disagreement. I wasn't thinking anything else like destroying discussion. Xps
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 12 October 2017 13:55 (six years ago) link
question : is this a film for a 14 year old who has not seen the original, or, is it too boring for a thrills-n-spills overloaded teen and for the dad only ?
― mark e, Thursday, 12 October 2017 14:04 (six years ago) link
there's a lot of nudity if that's a matter
― rip van wanko, Thursday, 12 October 2017 14:16 (six years ago) link
Harrison Ford's crinkly old scrotum in 3d might be a bit much for some.
― calzino, Thursday, 12 October 2017 14:21 (six years ago) link
ah. would not bother me him seeing such stuff (3d scrotum aside), but he would get his uncomfortable teenager face on.like when he gets a naughty joke in family guy and tries to hide the fact that he gets it.
― mark e, Thursday, 12 October 2017 14:22 (six years ago) link
most of the nudity pertains to nubile holographic robogirlfriends
― rip van wanko, Thursday, 12 October 2017 14:36 (six years ago) link
I don't think the nudity would be problematic; it's sexualised but not in any way sexy - like a last-gasp effort of capitalism to sell something when everything else has failed, so let's use a 100ft tall nude neon hologram girl.
You don't need to have seen the first. It is slow, but it's very cool to look at, and the action bits, when they happen, have more impact because of this. I winced in a way I never have with an Avengers movie.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 12 October 2017 14:43 (six years ago) link
its the slowness of it that i suspect will not appeal.
― mark e, Thursday, 12 October 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link
the couple of scenes where women get casually and graphically murdered for no reason I'm not sure I'd want a young teen watching
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 October 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
I felt pretty much bang-on average age (38) in the cinema. Reports I've read suggest it's not getting the teen market in the US. I was obsessed with 2001: A Space Odyssey when I was about 15, so I don't think slowness is necessary a teen no-no. I'd take them and try and realign their brain.
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 12 October 2017 14:53 (six years ago) link