Let us Anticipate "Call Me By Your Name"

1979

meh, those pics don't do much for me... but they have good chemistry in the motion picture.

In (Fame) high school, Chalamet dated Madonna's daughter, so he may be gay.

Agree with Morbs: this was rather good and in some places excellent -- perhaps the best gay movie intended for a wide release Oscar crowd. I was relieved that Guardagino ditched the novel's lugubriousness: Ellio wants Oliver, and Chalamet's beautifully physical performance -- legs tossed over chairs, bare toes curled on stones, his eyes watching his parents' boredom with '80s Italian politics -- makes this clear.

Also, what is James Ivory complaining about? This was more explicit than I expected: shoulders getting gnawed, balls getting squeezed, foot massages. Even the peach scene, I realized, would not have worked as written in the novel -- the audience would have laughed it off the screen. The way Guardagino shoots it as a mix of shame and pleasure and relief after Oliver finds out is the film's most fully realized moment; I laughed out loud.

The dad's well-meaning, beautifully modulated monologue, to which Ivory added sentimental flourishes, came too late and was too I'm-ready-for-my-Oscar.

Excuse Spellcheck-corrected name mistakes.

I didn't realize this was being pitched as Oscarbait, but all that means is that I'd missed the Ivory connection until now. I'm not worried, though; all of your reviews (and others) have been encouraging, and it may actually play at a theatre near me now.

saw it this pm, thought it was just lovely

i thought this accomplished the feat of making subtle unspoken urges scream through the slightest cues; looks, postures, touches that last for a split second longer. also i thought it was generous to make the parents finding out about it not really a center of drama, even if it involved making them implausibly progressive (i mean, who knows, maybe there were 80s archeology profs perfectly unbothered by their post-docs sleeping with their teenage sons?) so that the focus could be on the romance

James Ivory is complaining?

I didn't see any added sentimentality in the dad speech, except they changed the answer to "Does Mom know?" (I don't think everyone even agrees about the object of the question)

there were a few other moments of ambiguity too ya, on the busride home my friends and i couldn't agree on some

in the novel Alfred says Armie Hammer (also lol at them casting the waspiest looking mf ever for this part) character is 24 years old. but in the film he looks early thirties, no?

oh u know what the one thing i didn't care for in this was? the Sufjan Stevens songs

There's no hiding Hammer's age; when he's shot from the bottom up he looks 29 or 30.

Dad quoted Montaigne and has spent his life looking at statues and reading Greek poetry. One of the bits the film gets that the novel doesn't (as I read it) is how Dad and Oliver understand and have absorbed Greek conceptions of sexuality: fool around in your youth, even love another man, but you're gonna get married eventually.

I was impressed with how the peach scene becomes the point at which Elio's shame but increasing sexual confidence collide against Oliver's jollity.

Yeah this was just exquisite, all the performances were great but Chalamet is just stunning. Peach scene alone deserves several oscars.

a bit fruity

I believe none of you.

I don't even know if you've seen it.

I haven't. And even though Morbs was right about The King of Comedy ... that had Jerry Lewis.

The adjectives everyone's using on this one are a little too creamy.

A milkshake?

uhm... I was virtually destroyed by this and almost left the cinema after the train station scene out of fear that i would start sobbing loudly (rather than just have some wet eyes). I mean i am a cryer but jesus...

i'll write a bit more in time. overwhelmed.

I honestly thought that another incredible gay love story, God's Own Country, wouldn't be surpassed this year but wow.

Has GOC been released outside of the UK?

incredible powerful, that is, it's all too credible.

ly

keep this to yourself, jed_ but

I teared up too

GOC opened in NYC a week ago, I saw it Monday. Solid feature debut, a little bit sentimental at the end and I could've done without the two (?) explicit Brokeback echoes. Hot sexfight in the mud though.

And even though Morbs was right about The King of Comedy ...

Eric, I could kiss you!

https://i.imgur.com/gEeTXcq.gif

And the Dardennes.

But not horror or comedy, so don't get excited.

ILX alone is slowly convincing me the Oscars aren't going NEAR Call Me come January. Think of the hot takes.

be thankful "Harvey" didn't produce it

the rabbit?

https://photos.vanityfair.com/2014/03/17/5327346c74f8a09c34ba3c8e_harvey.gif

Molly Haskell:

https://www.filmcomment.com/article/call-me-by-your-name-review-armie-hammer/

re the two(?) brokeback references in God's Own Country, I couldn't place them but google tells me the first is the Yorkshire guy trying not to watch the Romanian have a cloth-wash in the field. The second is Johnny having a sniff of Gheorghe's left-behind jumper after he's gone. I can't remember the first instance in BM but the second one is a fairly standard cinematic AND HUMAN trope that isn't a trope. have you ever lived if you haven't enhanced the sense of loss of an ex-lover by sniffing a trace of sent on their clothing and possibly all of us here have not washed said piece of clothing for a long time in order to keep that smell? It's a subtle and, imo, beautiful reference to the scene earlier in the film where Gheorge skins the dead lamb and puts it on an orphan lamb to make the ewe look after it. There's also something in there that i can't quite draw-out about Johnny using Gheorghe's name properly and casually rather than saying "Gorgy or summat" as he does earlier on when they first meet.

For what it's worth Francis Lee claims in an interview to have seen Brokeback once when it came out in the theatres and claims that those things are not conscious references. Lee grew up on a farm and still lived on a mobile home on his father's farm as he wrote the script.

I'm still not ready to talk about CMBYN but I'm keen to hear other thoughts on GOC. Morbs is right to called it a solid debut feature and any other relationship to it depends on how much you personally relate to the situation rather than making claims for it's greatness (fwiw I think it is alsmost-great and accept that it may only be great to me). Another reason GOC hit me hard is because the film is also subtly or perhaps accidentally about Brexit, ugh.

It's a subtle and, imo, beautiful reference to the scene earlier in the film where Gheorge skins the dead lamb and puts it on an orphan lamb to make the ewe look after it

this is what makes me think the scene is definitely not a Brokeback reference. It's quite deeply and personally part of the script and of Lee's actual life on the farm.

fair 'nuff

the washing scene is framed p much like the one in Brokeback

doesn't bother me tho, this is a better film!

I was quite amazed that a veteran US critic mistook Nan for mother instead of grandmother.

(maybe we shd discuss this in the "arthouse" thread or something)

https://medium.com/@stevenerickson/why-is-call-me-by-your-name-the-years-most-mainstream-gay-film-b54c8044fbd1

Spoilers there!

endless shots of sunny summertime Tuscan landscapes and the bare torsos of actors Armie Hammer and Timothée Chalamet.

And?

Some good points, but I think hanging James Ivory like an albatross on the film is unfair (my impression is that Guadagnino rewrote the script w/ JI, albeit sans credit). The alleged "timidity" about sex doesn't seem a valid charge either -- Guadagnino didn't show particularly explicit sex in A Bigger Splash, did he? (Maybe I slept through it.)

This Erickson guy was moved by the two concluding scenes that pissed off KJB.

also, Beach Rats is not better

Any gay film in which a man licks the lips of another man is not repressed.

Maybe artistically repressed. (Didn’t read the review yet for spoilers, but I’ve agreed with Erickson frequently in the past RE: gay films.)

Any gay film in which a man licks the lips of another man is not repressed.

Or assertively grabs his package on a bike outing.

When Oliver and Elio’s father argue about whether the word “apricot” really originated in Arabic, one can sense Ivory showing off his erudition. The same effect comes across when Elio jokingly says he just played a piano piece as Liszt performing Bach.

Did it occur to Erickson that both of these scenes might've come from the novel? The two characters are young erudite showoffs.

A-1 Jeffrey Wells dis, though.

Let me point out that James Ivory did not direct this movie, nor could he have.

Bland is an idiotic word to use about this film, It's certainly not that!

re: gay cinema w/arty qualities + James Ivory, is MAURICE any good? i saw a trailer for the recent re-release and visually at least it looked vv intriguing.

No.

The book is crap too, but gays like it if they read it at a formative age.

the film is a bit better than the book. it has rupert graves doing a country bumpkin accent.

Extremely unsavoury, to put it mildly. I made it two episodes in. Apparently, in later episodes the 14 yo protagonist has sex with the soldier who flashes his cock to him in episode one.

Oh shit, sorry, I thought you were talking about Guadagnino's HBO/BBC series called We Are Who We Are. Which is fucking terrible.

hahahaha

No -- the sequel to CMBYN.

both extremely bad then.

I only read Enigma Variations, it was not very good, but liked CMBYN the film

I haven’t seen We Are Who We Are, but Tom Mercier’s cock is awesome