Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

Twitter needs to be obliterated nationalized.

The AV Club OTM here:

“It’s not clear which specific one of the actress’ tweets was targeted and reported to Twitter, and was apparently so offensive that the company decided it’d be a good idea to silence a woman at the heart of an entire scandal based around women being hushed-up and ignored.”

My guess (because I think this is how it works) is that enough people aggressively flagged her that the twitter robot acted. But that is bullshit, anyway. Twitter is a bunch of craven, capricious asshole hypocrites, like the rest.

Goddamn. It happened after she said fuck you to ben Affleck it seems (link

JiC, that's my guess as well. Which is vile.

If Huff Post's reporting is correct, this is a very serious matter for NBC— and for all NBC journalists. https://t.co/pwc6XSnzKO pic.twitter.com/wZMQo9PptM

— Jay Rosen (@jayrosen_nyu) October 12, 2017

Lol did he just figure out this was very serious

Also since Twitter is clearly absolute garbage why is literally everyone still using it constantly

twitter is the worst. you won't find me on there! the world must live without my tweeting.

i really hope harvey goes to jail.

twitter has its uses but it's hopelessly managed

though not looking forward to horrible courtroom coverage. with harvey in a wheelchair and a neck brace. gotta have the wheelchair and the neck brace.

From that HuffPo piece:

“Saturday Night Live” executive producer Lorne Michaels was criticized for not including any Weinstein jokes

I get the NBC entanglement but this is just silly. SNL now compelled to make specific jokes?

The fuck? If anything it would be in poor taste to include "Weinstein jokes." "Weinstein jokes" are part of the problem.

Also, this broke last Thursday. Two days isn't a lot of lead time to come up with funny women-being- raped/abused sketches.

The angle was dumb but LM's "it's a New York thing" was a predictably horrible response

Wtf @ twitter banning McGowan. they really do have shit management. It has to be that flag bot, otherwise I don’t get it - rationale for keeping her on is same as keeping Trump on: more clicks/attention

If it was a flag bot (was she getting more flags than Trump? idk), they ought to have been able to unsuspend her by now.

aside but I've been seeing a lot of people lately posting about being temp-banned from facebook for violating "community standards" for stuff like calling out racism or posting a racist flyer that they received (in order to call it out). We're basically watching AI try to learn what is offensive, and in some cases that AI is people like Mark Zuckerberg.

Probably was a lawsuit threat.

It could have even been her much-quoted tweet about her film being distributed "by my rapist." Especially with Weinstein's legal team.

Yeah that seems possible.

I'm seeing that she tweeted out some phone numbers and then deleted them?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/10/12/twitter_limits_rose_mcgowan_s_account_after_her_allegations_against_weinstein.html

Kate Beckinsale stepped forward today, said Weinstein was a bit inappropriate w/her when she was 17, then years later actually asked her if he'd done anything w/her at that time, bc he basically forgot whether or not he'd tried to assault her i guess?

damn
not surprising at all though

i'm sure most of the people who do this forget that/whether they did it or not. denial etc.
from a personal perspective, i'm pretty sure there aren't a bunch of men out there remembering me, but i sure remember them.

the classic Max Ophuls film Letter from an Unknown Woman is relevant on this point

this is maybe going to sound incredibly dumb, i'm not trying to be #notallmen or #reversepence, but these days i just don't like to hang out with a group of dudes for a night out, or a party that's all men, etc...the energy weirds me out a lot of the time. most of my friends these days all are couples and we hang out as such, but i have other male friends who will just socialize with THA BOYS and i find when i join them that the conversations just go places i'm not comfortable with a lot of the time, or the vibe is just weird, the balance is all off, etc. i don't like the "men's club" feeling. i don't know.

agree

Yeah, I totally feel you. I am generally averse to 'dude hangs', particularly 'white dude hangs'. Speaking as a white dude, no demographic is more likely to creep me out than other white dudes.

same

I think the only time I'm in that situation is at band rehearsal but we aren't all white and we aren't all male so it's only intermittently when there's just a subset of us there. idk it doesn't bother me, there's no assholes in the band lol

Just don't hang out with assholes imo.

the classic Max Ophuls film Letter from an Unknown Woman is relevant on this point

Did you see the cuts Harvey demanded?

"That's locker room."

men who feel the need to exclude women aren't usually up to anything worthwhile ime

where does the conversation go that makes you uncomfortable? i'll admit to being curious.

I mean, IDK I haven't had that experience so much. I don't hang out with anyone that much these days, but I get together with a group of guys to play music and it's mostly just talk about music, being a dad, work sucks, and maybe football in which case I tune out.

Seems like a thread derail anyway.

men who feel the need to exclude women aren't usually up to anything worthwhile ime

yeah I think this is the real issue

I really hate the idea of stag weekends

in the future they will figure out a way to lower testosterone in unborn male fetuses. or something like that. i'm an optimist! #scifireader

the company i work for has a large salesforce of mostly men . they come into the office from all over the country for training and meetings and want to go out in the City while they are here . I only went once and never again , the worst part was that most of them are married but when they come here it's like they are on some fucking weied free for all, it's horrible .

that's disgusting ^^^

it's not the testosterone -- it's the culture
we can change it if we try. y'all have kids. time to destroy the fratriarchy :)

I have a great core of friends, no assholes, but one of them keeps gravitating toward these sort of fratty activities. For example, he had his 40th birthday in Vegas, and my wife and were all, who actually does this? (So we decided not to go, since Vegas sucks - sorry, Vegas). The other week he made this half suggestion that we go back, but he added "and this time it should be just the guys!" And another friend of mine basically looked at him funny and said, "why? I like having my wife around." Which is to say I think some guys, even not assholes, sometimes get it in their head that they should do guy things in the most cliched guy way possible, and when a group of dudes, even good dudes, get that in their head, things can escalate into assholetry.

Or, like a different friend around the backyard fire pit the other night, actually take out his acoustic guitar and start strumming (and singing!) rudimentary classic rock songs. Don't do that either!

^^Harvey would have been a lot better off if he'd just done that tho.

Yeah that's my attitude to stag parties, just complete befuddlement. "A pre-wedding party, but no women allowed!" Lol what, no, that sounds fucking terrible and dumb. Where are we going, your treehouse?

The only all-male context I have in my life right now revolves around the alumni group for my all-male college chorus and even there enough of the guys are married to women that it's rare to have a meetup that is actually all male. (We do have an alumni chorus gig every two years, alternating between West Coast US and Japan, where the rehearsals are all-male but we are also in the middle of an activity so there's no real opportunity for things to go super gross.)

I will say that as a straight guy in this context, there is apparently some intragroup harassment that completely bypasses me; one issue that we've had in getting younger alums involved is apparently a core group of guys in their 60s-70s who make a habit of trying to prey on anyone under 30 who shows up. I knew nothing about this until one of my friends told me some stories about rescue missions he and his partner have gone on to keep things above board.

xp: lol, my wife had her 40th in Vegas, as did one of the guys I mentioned who was cockblocking old predators on the last alumni chorus trip.

"we can change it if we try. y'all have kids. time to destroy the fratriarchy"

my kids were lucky enough to go to a really kind/loving/progressive school during their formative years and it totally helped form them in a really positive way. they are very quick to cry foul if they see/hear anything unfair/sexist/racist. not everyone gets that opportunity. i wish i'd had that!

a core group of guys in their 60s-70s who make a habit of trying to prey on anyone under 30 who shows up.

as someone who used to attend an LGBT church (overwhelmingly white men), this is not an unfamiliar phenomenon to me

I wholly reject the notion that ending toxic masculinity requires men not hanging out in groups together, that seems silly. I've had great groups of male friends where no such toxicity existed. But I'm all for ending what-happens-in-vegas style weekends and frat culture and the like. And there is definitely something to the idea that "good" guys will feel pressured to act in a certain guy way when in these situations. I was at an all-guy work dinner recently that got very close to crossing some lines, but thankfully a senior mgmt guy read the situation and was like "Ok, it's time to go."

so happy i don't know what a "stag party" is and have to guess

and yeah i have/have had a lot of friends who are extremely "the boys" mentality. i.e. daydrinking & playing Xbox & doing blow. shit is dark. it's so stupid

La Lechera -- i guess it's that the conversations turn towards talking about women a lot or relationships in a way that feels a bit retrograde, there's always going to be a bit of that type of flirting w/servers that makes me feel like i'm with a bunch of embarrassing uncles, and it feels kind of gloomy for some reason in a very existential dude way. i can't really explain that latter part, it's more an overall feeling i have. that's probably not a great answer.

it differs from other friends where the couples will hang out and it's just fun and easy and no one has any hangups about the lack of dude nights in that particular circle. though there are times when i'll go hang out with one of those dudes. we just don't get all together as a group to visit the secret world of men, away from the women!

we have a son, and his two oldest friends are girls. and i think that's been more helpful than any advice i could give him. i think he's weirded out by dude energy too, maybe. it's good to err on the side of caution!