sid vicious as cautionary tale is a first for me, but I get it =D
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 12 October 2017 22:18 (six years ago) link
Yeah, the Cosby thing would have just been a "rethink this" moment on weird twitter soon forgotten but now they are the reified archetype of the bernie bro or whatever, and I agree they're not quite ready for that role.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Thursday, 12 October 2017 22:19 (six years ago) link
the show has gotten gradually slicker and more streamlined over time but they (obviously) have a lot of room to improve still, on several fronts
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 October 2017 22:20 (six years ago) link
However tone deaf it may be, this is pretty clearly them role-playing the angry right-wing Twitter/Facebook poster.
Agreed. Of course, when intense irony is the only weapon you got handy, you gotta wield it deftly, esp when there’s an army of people chomping at the bit to willfully misinterpret it.
― Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Thursday, 12 October 2017 22:21 (six years ago) link
My history is obviously mainly informed(warped?) by Scott Keith and a lot of internet wrestling bloggers from ‘99-01 or so.
But yeah, you get the idea. There’s a necessary period built-in where you need to learn your craft, and leapfrogging that has consequences.
― Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Thursday, 12 October 2017 22:24 (six years ago) link
One of the amusing bits is when you get criticism from folks who have barely, if ever, actually heard the show.
You get aggro bro/jock accusations tossed at a group who freaked(and were rightly mocked) out on the air when their absent co-host’s cat relieved itself on the floor during an episode, or who have recorded a several hour session trying to work their own refs into a Call of Cthulhu game.
― Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Thursday, 12 October 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
The entire (and CONSTANT on this thread) "these clowns aren't ready for primetime" argument really hinges on having to believe "podcasting" is some kind of art, which **huge fuckin jerkoff motion**
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 October 2017 23:23 (six years ago) link
wow I can't believe these guys aren't better at a ten-year-old form called – can you believe it's fucking called this "podcasting" – whose Sgt Peppers is Marc Maron being sad to Louis CK. for two hours
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 12 October 2017 23:27 (six years ago) link
There are two different issues - podcasting in itself and being a public figure. They're excellent at the former, despite technical ineptitude, while being terrible at the latter.
As to the "art" of podcasting, pretty sure you raised a question months ago about starting from the beginning - which is more similar to one's response to TV/books than a radio show, so...
― louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 12 October 2017 23:57 (six years ago) link
"excellent" is a bit of a stretch
― gbx, Thursday, 12 October 2017 23:59 (six years ago) link
So which of these dudes is gonna turn out to be a serial abuser?
― .oO (silby), Friday, 13 October 2017 00:01 (six years ago) link
That's all I think about about this show. I've never listened to it.
― .oO (silby), Thursday, October 12, 2017 7:01 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i have been thinking about this too
― gbx, Friday, 13 October 2017 00:04 (six years ago) link
Ugh the live ep is painful, I can't even make it to Adomian.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 13 October 2017 00:31 (six years ago) link
thx for the contribution silbywe've already established that the most problematic leftbro is taibbi
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 13 October 2017 00:39 (six years ago) link
kingfish post is so OTM
Whiney: Thousands of people listen to this show every week. They have 20,000+ premium subscribers. The free episodes regularly get 80 - 100,000+ listens. Anderson Cooper averaged 425k viewers in the first quarter of 2017. Chris Hayes had 325k. They're not shouting into a void or a choir of weird twitter people. Besides, incompetence is not a virtue. it's not endearing, it's fucking stupid & annoying and like kingfish said, pretty much every podcast at their level has their shit figured out technically. It's not hard. As far as the importance or "artistic value" of podcasts, I think you're missing the point. Many, many millions more people listen to Joe Rogan and Marc Maron than most cable news hosts now.
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 October 2017 02:10 (six years ago) link
holding the attention of a headphone listening audience for an hour of "informal chit chat" is a craft just like doing standup is a craft. Which is why they bomb live. They are not performers.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 13 October 2017 02:18 (six years ago) link
If only these guys could have the quality of what JOE ROGAN does for a living.
― sic And Mordy’s worst fans don’t deserve sic And Mordy (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 13 October 2017 02:23 (six years ago) link
you sound like comic book guy
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 October 2017 02:31 (six years ago) link
I'm of two minds about the professionalism question:
Yeah, these guys are not trained comics, but there are 50,000 podcasts made by comedians and UCB people and they for the most part are as boring as hell. I can't listen to Comedy Bang Bang anymore but I can deal with amateur stuff like Chapo and Uhh Yeah Dude.
On the other hand, when you're pulling in as much money as they are, the tech situation is embarrassing.
― President Keyes, Friday, 13 October 2017 12:48 (six years ago) link
for less than $3K they could all have Shure SM7Bs, a Focusrite interface with enough mic pre's running into their Macbook and have basically commercial FM radio quality audio instead of whatever bullshit Blue Snowball sounding shit they are using now
even when Christman was remote they could have done a dedicated IDSN line for the money they are making
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 October 2017 14:33 (six years ago) link
yeah, I don't even really care about the audio quality so much I just don't want them to lose whole episodes. I don't need it to sound slick, it might lose some of its charm.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 13 October 2017 14:43 (six years ago) link
i don't really think shitty quality mics is "charming" or any reason that i like the podcast
but yeah losing stuff, recording tech isnt exactly rocket science these days
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 13 October 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
I bring up the stand-up thing from something Felix or Will mentioned last year when describing folks like them who inhabit that weird crossroads of Weird Left Twitter; they mentioned “frustrated stand-ups” or something like that and that image stuck in my head. They know endless stand-ups, they room with stand-ups, they’re media industry folks living in NYC for chrissakes. They record the show the exact same way a panel of stand-ups sit on stage; 3-5 people sitting side-by-side all holding SM58s that they bring up to their mouths to speak into.
https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*MYcQ6eG5-L4LfzApO6naPw.jpeg
And yeah, the live bits seem like the work of open mic’ers
― Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Friday, 13 October 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link
On the professionalism tip, it’s not that they need to be overly produced NPR style, just that they need a basic competency. Fuck, _I_ have a SM7b and that’s just cuz i didn’t want to sound like another shitty Skype cast conducted thru 1st-gen Xbox headsets.
(And I found a good used one on CL)
Let’s change metaphors, then: At what point, if your band is paid to perform live, do you actually need to care if you’re in tune or have any idea what you’re doing or really care at all if you’re entertaining people? What is the level that a group needs to have their shit together to actually function as a group performing in their particular venue?
― Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Friday, 13 October 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
Also, is it worth connecting this thread convos on any number of other threads about both the limits of conversation on social platforms mixed with the shitloads of people eager (in bad faith or good) to willfully misinterpret anything posted?
Cuz there’s an aspect to the freakout from people neck deep in using Game of Thrones analogies to understand politics reacting to the “bend the knee” comment that is later echoed by the reactions to the announcement that Bernie was going to speak at the women’s convention in Detroit?
But that’s a whole’nother tangleball I can understand people not wanting to touch.
― Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Friday, 13 October 2017 21:25 (six years ago) link
Last thought: even the Replacements (eventually) tuned their guitars
― Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Friday, 13 October 2017 21:26 (six years ago) link
jesus who cares if some jokey socialists aren't using amazing mics
guy on the right needs to buy some new socks tho
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 13 October 2017 21:30 (six years ago) link
didnt realize felix looks like ricky rubio
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 13 October 2017 21:47 (six years ago) link
my gf had this to say about them: "Have a female guest on, talk over her the whole time. I can’t listen to it because it just feels like a college off campus apartment. Only girl, trapped in a room full of dudes, invisible until they wanna fuck you"
which is definitely the vibe on a lot of eps
― gbx, Friday, 13 October 2017 23:39 (six years ago) link
Androsky resigned from the DSA-LA steering committee.
http://www.dsa-la.org/statements_from_josh_androsky_and_the_dsa_la_steering_committee
The right move.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 02:55 (six years ago) link
They got better aboutnkt talking over female guests fwiw but I definitely remember that being a problem at least once or twice. Mostly Felix.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Saturday, 14 October 2017 03:41 (six years ago) link
yeah the Klein episode and the international-left one were pretty notably free of that. I wish amber was on more regularly.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 03:59 (six years ago) link
quite the commitment to dirtbag style
oh man I left a dump in the toilet the second before I left for the airport last week. it was sitting here 7 days. don't say it was my posts— Partisan Gridlock (@ByYourLogic) October 13, 2017
― JoeStork, Saturday, 14 October 2017 03:59 (six years ago) link
"partisan gridlock" as a spooky halloween handle is a pretty good joke
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 04:16 (six years ago) link
accusations of assault against sam kriss... wonder if any other of these folks in this orbit were on that shitty media men list
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link
yeah i heard about that list, how widely was it circulated? assuming it's not public
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link
I just learned that I'm on a list of "shitty media men" that's being circulated. But I have no idea what I'm accused of. Sweet Jesus.— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) October 16, 2017
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:12 (six years ago) link
xp
yeah, also I wonder if global tetrahedron was on it
wtf?
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
were on that shitty media men list
oh, is this the one Doug Henwood found out he was on? presumably for attacking H.R.C.
XXP
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
i've still only heard half of one episode of these guys, but it could be worse, i could be reading 'celebrity' 'feminist' Twitter
Good lord. Between Harvey, Donald and Bernie, women are reliving all KINDS of pain.I want to hug all of you right now. Every single woman.— Amber Tamblyn (@ambertamblyn) October 14, 2017
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:18 (six years ago) link
oooooof
also Kriss' apology statement was...not good
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
The cynicism of tweets like that is exactly why I still slightly mistrust the "shitty media men" list -- 95% of the women putting men on the list probably have legit reasons but if the document was so easy for anyone to add anyone to, and without context, etc. As Henwood points out, he doesn't even know what the charge is, so it's pretty hard for him to explain/defend/apologize/whatever is warranted.
also agree about Kriss's apology. A straight apology is all that was called for, no "explanation."
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
Amazes me that none of these people have learned from others' mistakes re: public statements. The first, brief paragraph in Kriss' post would've sufficed. Totally unnecessary & counterproductive to go into detail. I really don't get it. You apologize if necessary, then shut up.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link
Kriss responded to it, but didn’t exactly help himself with all the extra bits, did he
― Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link
The actual details are... appalling
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link
Dude is a serious piece of shit
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link
The cynicism of tweets like that is exactly why I still slightly mistrust the "shitty media men" list -- 95% of the women putting men on the list probably have legit reasons but if the document was so easy for anyone to add anyone to, and without context, etc.
the spreadsheet existed as a living document for like only 12 hours; it was meant to be useful for women, not a court of public opinion
i guess what i’m trying to say is it doesn’t matter if you “mistrust” it
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
Only guy that's been accused of sexual assault & kept his statement/denial short that I can think of is James Deen.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
that's true, because no one with a brain should be thinking about it
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link