The long overdue _Blade Runner_ thread

All I could think about during that fight scene was seeing if I could spot / if they kept in the punch that actually landed lol

Same

Batty & K go through similar journeys too, knowing from the limitations of what they are and being allowed to explore the possibility of freedom only to have the fantasy ripped away ... the fleeting euphoria of believing in it and being snapped back to the reality of their limited selves, is like another death

i hadn't thought of this! great insight. still don't like 2049!

And at some point you have to have sufficient knowledge of some storable state of the machine in order to customize and create physical versions of it with legs instead of a big box inside a lab.

If their brains are biological or quantum computers i think it follows that extracting their state would not be possible. At least it's easy enough to go along with that. For some reason I don't think their brains are strictly based on human brains. If they were they would just be genetically engineered humans and society would not have accepted them as machine workers.

As for how they are born developed to some degree - what you would do is have in-vitro virtual reality 'training' to get them to a certain stage. Implanted memories may live on some more conventional random access storage.

Once active, their development is determined by the environment and individual experiences and far from controllable - c.f. constant testing and rebellions.

If Tyrell designed the Nexus 6 mind that suggests it's a computer rather than a copy of a human brain.

Final Final Cut has Hannibal Chew tinkering in a freezer full of cameras rather than eyeballs to support that idea.

I think the best part is you can take it at face value, because this isn't our world and technology, and just assume how it works on screen is how it works

the one thing that is worth examining in context is whether being human is a gestalt of all our experiences creating a unique identity, and that is the real soul

No one in this movie registers as human or having a soul (or even invested in their roles) except for oddly Bautista. I wonder if John Cena might have made for a better K.

Bautista is such a joy

the little prequel thing online with him is good

Are there any non-extra human characters in this movie? robin wright's affect is pretty simulant-y. duke leto likewise, etc...

she's human, she's just... a cop

yeah i've seen her described as "fascist" and I didn't really get that. she's Olmos 2049.

nah, she's the Bryant of 2049 with an expanded role

Olmos was still Olmos

i stand by my read. she's at Bryant's desk but she gets Olmos' beats.

I'll allow it

*fweep* play on

*suddenly realizes, somehow for the first time, that there must be a shit-ton of Gaff/Deckard slashfic out there*

i thought this was pretty good. better than i figured it would be. i loved the score, and my theater had it turned up pretty fucking loud (but i guess that's standard these days). barkad abdi! the actress from black mirror that i just watched! hints that this is the 80s vision of the future carried forward (sanyo? pan am? *CCCP*??)

i have to admit that i don't get the conflict of the final third. either it wasn't clear or i'm dumm (or...)

it seemed like jared leto wanted to change the status quo and have his 'children' be able to reproduce on their own? so he needs to find the one born child to figure that out. it also seemed like luv had broken her subservience and was after the answer of reproduction for herself, by her own means? so ok they need to torture the girl's location out of deckard. and then the replicant underground needs this secret for themselves and don't want their masters to find it first (i couldn't tell if this group knew exactly who the girl is or where she is). so they need to kill deckard before he can give up the answer. but... they all want the same thing? free replicants? idk i feel like i'm missing something obvious.

some of the investigation, like how rachel's dna matched up the one plastic chip archive to the clear marble memory archive didn't really line up for me either, but eh

this idea hollywood has of jared leto as a spooky creepyman is so off, who is buying this. i'm so sick of these villains! look around, look at tech, look at the news. your average terror CEO is self-assured, cheerful, manicured, normal, centrist, and utterly banal. should have just had gary cole, living on earth's last leafy golf community or something. keep the little flying scanners tho.

http://www.theonion.com/video/jared-leto-thanks-acting-for-being-an-easy-thing-t-35413

or flip some actors & roles around and the villain is elizabeth holmes if she wasn't a fraud

Wallace and Luv didn't want free replicants. I mean, there's no indication her obedience to humans restriction isn't there, it's just she does whatever works for her boss. They wanted to find out about replicant reproduction so there could be multiple generations of ready-made slaves without building more factories. They just churn out little baby replicants and when they get to a certain age you can have them shoot each other or break rocks or whatever it is replicants do offworld.

Deckard and Rachel's kid wasn't necessarily a way forward for today's replicants, but a powerful way of building their cause. K was starting to have some serious improvements in self worth when he thought he might have been born and not decanted.

*suddenly realizes, somehow for the first time, that there must be a shit-ton of Gaff/Deckard slashfic out there*

https://i.imgur.com/qwxUUWE.jpg

hmm ok yeah. guess i couldn't parse from leto's speech if tyrell had put some kind of block on reproduction into the replicants' code (and leto couldn't crack it) OR if reproduction was itself something that tyrell couldn't figure out how to get right

sorry that is not supposed to be that big xpost

ok lol

Tyrell was the only one who figured out replicant reproduction and Wallace can’t get it right

he in fact stated this explicitly

seen this thrice now. every time I watch Jared Leto I feel like they filmed his cold reads or somethin

How...how have you spent nearly nine hours of your life like this?!

I have a lot of shit i want to avoid in the outside world these days

just watchin the OG final cut and - this has to have been mentioned before - but how come Harrison Ford's grizzled blade runner has to have the simplest facts about replicants explained to him?

because he's stupid?

isn't he supposed to know more about them than practically anybody else?

Easier to break than build

he just hunts n kills 'em, no genius required

hey buddy he's doing a kindness sitting there listening to the facts, he knows the audience on the other side of the fourth wall knows nothing

if you want the conspiratorial version, it's because at the beginning of the film he's still getting his bearings from having been born a couple days prior

Fact

hauer just so outrageously good value

"where would i find this j.f. sebastian?" is what presumably was written on the page but hauer turns it into a Moment

Yeah. Anthony Hopkins possessing a lean Schwarzenegger

haha yes

and now all is swept away in what momentum obtains in Woozy Dread

is Pris just drawn to J.F. in some kind of homing instinct? it can't be coincidence that in all of a depopulated L.A. that she winds up in a garbage heap outside his. but they've never met. he acts like he doesn't know her but he has to doesn't he? or know OF her. (i think he's being kind and gentle to her, playing a part to allow her to feel more human)

I think Pris is there as part of a plan, not coincidence?

And I don't recall any hint he knows she's a replicant until the hand in the water

He's an innocent, beautifully played too

darragh otm

like the only thing most of the replicants in the original wanted was to live longer and disappear into society.

Roy, though, he was a special boy. They might not have pursued the life angle without him.

seein this shit tonight

ah pris has a plan! i have forgotten most of this stuff

zhora death truly horrific & abject. ford as terminator.

that was an actually well-shot remade scene in the final cut!

in the original you can tell it’s a stuntperson

how come Harrison Ford's grizzled blade runner has to have the simplest facts about replicants explained to him?

??