Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV_W6kPqR9U

Eazy, Friday, 13 October 2017 22:25 (six years ago) link

yes - it is pretty fuckin definitive that interview

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 14 October 2017 00:10 (six years ago) link

Wow Emma Thompson is great

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Saturday, 14 October 2017 01:31 (six years ago) link

This is odd. I’m not sure what makes this the op-ed to write at this particular juncture.

http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/mayim-bialik-reflects-on-hollywood-feminism-after-weinstein.html


“As a ‘nontraditional’-looking woman, I came back to an industry that had me auditioning for the ‘frumpy friend’ or the ‘zaftig secretary,’ though I eventually landed a role that has earned me four Emmy nominations,” Bialik writes in a New York Times Opinion piece about her decision to return to acting after pursuing a doctorate degree in neuroscience. “And yet I have also experienced the upside of not being a ‘perfect ten.’ As a proud feminist with little desire to diet, get plastic surgery or hire a personal trainer, I have almost no personal experience with men asking me to meetings in their hotel rooms. Those of us in Hollywood who don’t represent an impossible standard of beauty have the ‘luxury’ of being overlooked and, in many cases, ignored by men in power unless we can make them money.”

El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 October 2017 14:40 (six years ago) link

on the other side of it, Melissa Sagemiller has come forward with a vv straightforward account of his modus operandi:

Over two dozen women have come forward with accounts of Harvey Weinstein’s sexual misconduct, yielding a clearer sense of the abuse allegedly inflicted by the once-powerful movie producer.

Actress Melissa Sagemiller has now told HuffPost that she experienced Weinstein’s behavior firsthand in the summer of 2000, when she filmed “Get Over It.”

It was Sagemiller’s second movie, a contemporary teen comedy based on “A Midsummer Night’s Dream,” following the thriller “Soul Survivors.” The production, in her own words, was “star-studded.” Her colleagues included Kirsten Dunst, Ben Foster, Sisqó, Zoe Saldana, Mila Kunis, Shane West, Colin Hanks, Martin Short, Ed Begley Jr., Swoosie Kurtz and Carmen Electra.

Miramax, the studio that Weinstein managed at the time, distributed the film, which meant Weinstein floated around the set throughout the two-month shoot. Sagemiller said that Weinstein, who was then married to his onetime assistant, made three separate advances toward her, all uninvited. The first incident allegedly occurred during a lunch meeting arranged by Weinstein’s assistant. At a later date, Sagemiller said he attempted to coax her into his hotel room, supposedly to “discuss the script.” She also described an episode after the movie wrapped, in which Weinstein ordered airport personnel to deliver her to his private plane, despite her protests and separately scheduled flight.

At the time, Sagemiller wasn’t completely silent about the ordeal, though she was encouraged not to formally speak out. (She suspects Weinstein left Dunst and Kunis alone because they were underage at the time.)

“I was definitely talking about it when we would go out with the cast because I was trying to warn the other girls, and I was trying to be tough about it and make a joke about it,” she said. “I will definitely say that the whole atmosphere with my agents there at the time, and with everyone in the business, including his producing partner, who was a woman, was like, ‘Don’t cause any trouble. Don’t say anything. You’re not going to be that girl because it will definitely hurt your career. This is Harvey. Harvey’s Harvey. Just don’t pay attention to him, ignore it, just move on.’ I was never told, ‘Are you OK? Do you want to say anything? Do you want to report this?’ Nothing like that. It was just, ‘That’s Harvey.’”

Weinstein’s licentious activity has been extensively covered over the past week. After The New York Times and The New Yorker published separate investigations into the years-long allegations lodged against the mogul, actresses like Cara Delevingne and Kate Beckinsale have told their own stories via social media.

Below is Sagemiller’s account of Weinstein’s behavior as it progressed throughout filming. She spoke to us by phone on Thursday; we have edited and condensed her quotes slightly to ensure clarity.

“I just think it’s so widespread,” the actress said. “It’s crazy. And it’s not just Harvey. It’s so many people in the industry. You start talking, and then another actress will go, ‘Oh yeah, I had that happen to me.’ I think this is a very important, interesting time.”

1. The lunch

At the time, I was 24. We were shooting in Toronto, and I think right after shooting started, I was called by one of his assistants — a woman, as always — saying, “Harvey wants to have lunch with you” [...] which I was actually even sort of excited about. I thought, “Oh, wow, the head of Miramax wants to take me to lunch ― great!” It was my second big film that I was doing. No one really warned me that much. They might have said, “Oh, he’s a little frisky,” but no one warned me the extent of what I was about to encounter.

So I go to lunch. I will say I was prepped in that I’d heard he likes his leading ladies — that’s sort of the extent. It obviously gives you a little something, like, “OK, I know what I’m walking into.”

The lunch was fine, although he was pretty inappropriate in terms of just being very flirty and asking me what I like to do and what kind of guys I like to date. It did become personal. Then he took me to a bookstore and proceeded to ask me, did I like literature? I was an English major at the University of Virginia. “Great, I’m going to buy you every Fitzgerald book in the bookstore, and I’m going to sign it to you, especially ‘The Last Tycoon’ because I am the last tycoon, and I’m actually about to produce the film, and it’s all about me, and you’re an English major — you’re so smart.”

I’m a city girl — I know how to handle myself. I’m tough. I was like, “OK, Harvey.” I gave him a lot of shit. I was always quick with a response, and I was quick to deflect because I figured out really quickly what kind of guy I thought he was.

2. The hotel room

The next incident that happened was further into the production. I was called by another assistant of his asking me to go to his hotel room. It’s like the Ashley Judd situation. He wanted to discuss the script. I was like, “I really don’t feel comfortable with this. Can we meet on the set tomorrow? In my trailer? Whatever. I just don’t really understand why I have to go to his room.” I was told, “It’s not going to be a long meeting.”

This is the horror of it all: You have another woman orchestrating this, knowing full well what is going to happen.

So then the assistant said, “The script has all these changes that he needs to discuss with you. It’s very important.” I remember talking to my boyfriend at the time on the phone, being like, “I can’t believe I have to do this. I don’t want to do this. I don’t have a good feeling about this, and I know what’s going to happen.” I was trying to be tough about it.

Anyway, I went to his room. Immediately he had drinks. The script was on the kitchen counter. He was in his robe. He’s like, “Would you give me a massage?” The whole thing. I said, “Harvey, I’m here to discuss the script. I’m not going to give you a massage or any of that.” And the banter went back and forth. He’s like, “I love you. You’re so fiery, you’re so smart. No one can give you shit, Sagemiller.” I’m like, “Exactly right.” But he just wouldn’t stop. I said, “I’m going to have to leave — we were supposed to discuss the script.” I just remember him saying, “Ah, I have to take a shower; I just went to the gym.” I don’t even know. It was so gross.

He said, “Well, you’re not going to leave until you kiss me.” I remember that’s when it turned from “Oh, ha ha, I can handle this guy” to “Well, OK, he’s blocking the door, sort of” — he’d walked over and put his hand on the door. It was just one of those things where I was like, “Really?” He just wouldn’t stop. It was relentless. And then he said, “Well, Renée did it and Charlize did it and this other actress did it. Don’t you want your career to be more than just this little teen film?” I said, “No, I’m not interested, thank you very much.” He said, “Well, you can’t leave until you kiss me.” He literally would not let me leave. I said fine and kissed him on the lips. He sort of held my head and made me kiss him, and then he’s like, “OK, you can go now. That’s all I wanted. Just do what I say and you can get your way.”

He finally opened the door so I could leave. I remember sitting in that elevator. He was so disgusting. He was taking Accutane at the time, and his skin was peeling all over this face. His lips were peeling. He was like Jabba the Hutt. He was like a lizard that was molting. It was so disgusting. […] I know that women have had much worse.

3. The airplane

Cut to the wrap party. He’d already gotten some other girl that he had given this small number of lines to and was apparently sleeping with, according to the rumor mill on the movie. So he started to leave me alone and not pursue me as much, until the wrap party comes around.

I had to come over and say, “Thank you for the movie.” He said, “Well, you’re coming back on my plane.” I said, “Harvey, I’m totally cool. I’ve got my own flight. Thank you so much for the offer, but I’m good. I’m good.” He’s like, “No, no, no, you’re taking my plane. It’s fine, I’ll arrange it. It’s all arranged. It’s arranged already.”

So then I ran out the door of the party and called my agent at the time. I said, “Do not take me off the flight I’m on. No matter who calls, do not cancel this flight that I have. It’s my separate flight from Toronto.”

The party ended and I went back to the hotel. I woke up and left the hotel an hour earlier than I was supposed to. My flight was at, like, 10 a.m., and I left the hotel at 7:30 a.m. That way, I wouldn’t see his assistant, I wouldn’t see Harvey, I wouldn’t see anyone.

I checked my bag, I went through security — this is pre-9/11, mind you — and I’m waiting to board at the gate of the flight when, all of a sudden, over the loudspeaker, I hear, “Melissa Sagemiller, please report to the security desk immediately. Melissa Sagemiller, please pick up the white phone at the security desk immediately.”

So I’m like, “Wait, what? Did someone have a heart attack?” You’re just thinking about all of these horrible scenarios. I run to the security desk down the hall, and it’s his assistant again. “Melissa? We’ve gotten your bags off the plane. The car is out front. Get in the car.” It was just so incredible. I started laughing. I said, “What are you talking about? You got my bags?” She’s like, “Yes, Harvey’s insistent. Please get in the car. Just please get in the car.”

They’d kidnapped my bags at this point, so I was just like, “Fine, you win, motherfucker.” So I left the airport, went out to the top level where the car was, got in the car. They raced me to the private-plane runway where there were other actors on the plane. Sisqó was on it, and Shane West was on it. Thank God. If I had walked in there and it was just him, I don’t know. I would have had to run away because that’s horrendous. I think I even asked at the time, “Are there other people on this plane? I’m not going alone.” [The assistant] said, “There are other actors on this plane.”

So I get on the plane, I walk up and I go, “Harvey, you motherfucker.” He’s just sitting there. He pats his hand on the seat next to him, and he’s like, “See, Melissa, you can’t say no to me. I always get what I want.” He wanted me on this plane, and he wanted me somewhere where I couldn’t go anywhere. And he just wanted to eff with me. He just wanted to fuck with my head. [...]

It was a short flight, from Toronto to New York. Shane and I were talking; we were friendly, and I stuck by him. I’m sure I had told him Harvey’s stories. [...]

I don’t think I’ve interacted with [Harvey] that much because none of the other movies I did were Miramax. […] And then I crossed over and did mostly television, so I didn’t have to see him. [...]

If my manager called me tomorrow and said, “Actually, I remember there was this movie you were up for, and now that I’m thinking back on it, maybe [rebuffing Weinstein is] why you didn’t get it,” I wouldn’t be surprised at all.

nomar, Saturday, 14 October 2017 14:45 (six years ago) link

mayim bialik thing is utterly bizarre and wrong. wtf.

assawoman bay (harbl), Saturday, 14 October 2017 14:51 (six years ago) link

Can y'all post shorter excerpts, please?

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link

melissa sagemiller is an excellent storyteller! worth the read.

so many relatable moments in there. the condescension of unrelenting flattery*, the blocking of the door, the call on the white phone. jfc all the work this woman had to do to get away from this dude and he kept pursuing.

*this is not "hey cool skirt" or "dig your hair!" it's "you're so smart, you're so beautiful, etc etc etc" to the degree that it couldn't possibly be genuine, until it feels like paint-by-numbers flattery, which gets scary because it means they think they are buttering you up but they're getting nowhere and you need to develop a safe escape plan :(

now i am going to google her to see who she is, i have no idea.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link

Yeah nomar, there’s these things called links, man

El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link

i remembered her from the film Soul Survivors, which was a not-good film. but i do remember that she and Eliza Dushku were better than the film deserved.

the pattern is so obvious here, i suspect there are so many more and like Melissa Sagemiller, they're trying to get their stories out and getting them down right. so much anger and relief at releasing it in these pieces.

nomar, Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link

yeah i kinda thought the whole thing was worth reading i guess idk...

nomar, Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:25 (six years ago) link

Oh I read the whole thing I just wanted to pile on

Anyway the company’s doomed

http://www.vulture.com/2017/10/the-weinstein-company-may-be-sold-or-shut-down-entirely.html

El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link

the part about getting to the airport and then getting the call over the intercom that was like straight out of a horror movie holy crap

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link

what strikes me again is how many people were involved in setting this up, even in the face of protests and discomfort and people literally trying to escape on airplanes!

nomar, Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link

Hell, he’s almost as bad as Bryan Singer.

rb (soda), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link

My heart started racing at certain points of sagemiller's story

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:48 (six years ago) link

it was an excellent soberly-written (minimal hyperbole/jokes) detailed explanation. i enjoyed reading it and identified with a lot of the details.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:51 (six years ago) link

I definitely recognize the way organizational culture plays into it. You arrive in your first internship or whatever and you see the people around you behaving in a certain way regarding a boss and it seems off but it's not your place to raise it. Eventually you either play the game and get absorbed into the culture or you leave. Not that I've ever worked somewhere on Weinstein level of bad but I can see how the dynamic plays out with a bad boss.

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link

Is the Singer stuff confirmed? I remember that big lawsuit against him being dismissed when he had proof that the accuser's story didn't line up with a timeline or something, but I saw on Wikipedia there were some other accusations that sounded a bit iffy

Nhex, Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link

gives me the Louis B Mayer chills

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link

Someone mentioned upthread or elsewhere that if there was ever a time for Corey Feldman to name names, it’s now ... same with the Singer stuff
I would hope that seeing all these women share their stories & letting themselves be named might give victims of other abuses some hope idk

There’s so many known secrets that have caused so many people so much pain

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link

Just do what I say and you can get your way.

jmm, Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:12 (six years ago) link

That’s the most interesting thing about this for me as a social science dabbler. I’ve been thinking about how this is fortunately absolutely not part of the corporate culture where I work, never has been, but I’ve certainly heard of other government offices, research shops, and we all know about military units where this kind of shit festers.

At least in most of the public sector, inspectors general and employee ombudsman offices are mandated - so this kind of casting couch shit doesn’t last long, if it’s reported. I realize that’s a big if.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link

That was an xp to man alive

El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link

now i am going to google her to see who she is, i have no idea.

In a movie with Mika Kunis and Kirsten Dunst when she resisted...

Eazy, Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link

aye but use other sources plz

angelo irishagreementi (ledge), Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link

In a movie with Mika Kunis and Kirsten Dunst when she resisted...

iirc she mentioned they were underage in the thing posted above?

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link

The guy has principles after all.

Tom's Tits Experiment (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link

I mean ... what confirmation do you need re: Singer? Same as Weinstein, he’s a powerful. Nothing ever ends up on an official record, there’s just a mounting body of anecdotes that eventually snowball into an irrefutable awareness of behaviors r. And I *know* people who, first hand, report on Singer. Like Weinstein or Cosby or Ailes, nobody saw anything too damning, nothing that can’t be waved away away by a superpowered legal team, and there are always implied to be credibility problems with the people stepping forward.

rb (soda), Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link

there are always implied to be credibility problems with the people stepping forward.

"Today, in a stunning coincidence, fifty women who do not know one another came forward with shockingly similar stories about the predatory sexual behavior of a powerful man. In a statement issued by the man's lawyer, the women were all said to be lying, for reasons that will become apparent once they've had time to study the situation in greater detail."

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link

remy otm

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link

The sense I'm getting around town is that people are feeling empowered to come forward about other people now. One example is a friend of a friend whose wife worked at UTA as an assistant and was sexually harassed by the agent she worked for. She went to HR with evidence (lewd and disgusting texts, and so on.) the head of HR there told her, "we're not here for your pity party."

This revelation was in response to the head of UTA releasing a statement talking BS about how shocked and appalled he was etc...

nomar, Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link

popbitch does also

http://popbitch.com/2017/10/inches-for-inches/

piscesx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:23 (six years ago) link

“No you’re here to create an illusion that the company is a responsible workplace.”

kim jong deal (suzy), Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link

great op ed from the NYT about how women who get assaulted are asking for it. thanks for furthering discourse https://t.co/HhOkMiBICN

— Ghouls N. Binoculars (@surfbordt) October 14, 2017

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link

Sorry, missed that it was already discussed.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link

Emma Thompson - one of the more radical prime-time interviews I've ever seen.

Radical would not have been "we need more women in power," it would be "power differentials this great must be destroyed."

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link

a bit fucked up that sagemiller mentioned charlize and zellweger by name, a million times more fucked up that huffpo didn't blank them out

even if harvey was lying, none of the names of women who did or didn't sleep with him should be made public without their permission

qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link

i went to the reddit thread on r/movies on this after the NYT story initially came out to see their reactions bc i hate myself, and it immediately turned into a witch hunt over which ones were "harvey's girls"

a lot of people are just as hungry to hate the women he successfully manipulated as they are him

qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link

Oh good a strong leftist man is here to tell us what the barriers to entry are for radical

El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link

are you serious

qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:28 (six years ago) link

that huffpo article also includes a fun "representatives for theron and zellweger have not responded to us" disclaimer as if they're both under trial too

qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link

^^ This is where Clooney’s comments seemed on the mark: that he had heard stories, but they were mostly shared to knock the talent of the actors (“slept her way up”), not to damn Harvey. Certainly heard that about some of the 90s stars in the past.

In a movie with Mika Kunis and Kirsten Dunst when she resisted...

iirc she mentioned they were underage in the thing posted above?

He may not have hit on him then, but the one he did hit on and was rejected by is now the name we’ve never heard of.

Eazy, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link

specifically said it was on huffpo to redact the names but if you think names of women accused of sleeping with harvey are good to publish without their consent idk what to tell you, this is pretty basic shit xp

qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link

ok lol tombot if you were referring to that twitter post and not me i'm sorry i got livid for a second, if you were referring to me fuck off

qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link

oh now i see the simon post, forgot you hated each other, ignore me

qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link

enh "more female studio heads" isn't a *wrong* solution just an insufficient one. I don't hate anyone, just the discourse more generally

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 21:27 (six years ago) link


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