Can y'all post shorter excerpts, please?
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link
melissa sagemiller is an excellent storyteller! worth the read.
so many relatable moments in there. the condescension of unrelenting flattery*, the blocking of the door, the call on the white phone. jfc all the work this woman had to do to get away from this dude and he kept pursuing.
*this is not "hey cool skirt" or "dig your hair!" it's "you're so smart, you're so beautiful, etc etc etc" to the degree that it couldn't possibly be genuine, until it feels like paint-by-numbers flattery, which gets scary because it means they think they are buttering you up but they're getting nowhere and you need to develop a safe escape plan :(
now i am going to google her to see who she is, i have no idea.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link
Yeah nomar, there’s these things called links, man
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:16 (six years ago) link
i remembered her from the film Soul Survivors, which was a not-good film. but i do remember that she and Eliza Dushku were better than the film deserved.
the pattern is so obvious here, i suspect there are so many more and like Melissa Sagemiller, they're trying to get their stories out and getting them down right. so much anger and relief at releasing it in these pieces.
― nomar, Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
yeah i kinda thought the whole thing was worth reading i guess idk...
― nomar, Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:25 (six years ago) link
Oh I read the whole thing I just wanted to pile onAnyway the company’s doomedhttp://www.vulture.com/2017/10/the-weinstein-company-may-be-sold-or-shut-down-entirely.html
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
the part about getting to the airport and then getting the call over the intercom that was like straight out of a horror movie holy crap
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
what strikes me again is how many people were involved in setting this up, even in the face of protests and discomfort and people literally trying to escape on airplanes!
― nomar, Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link
Hell, he’s almost as bad as Bryan Singer.
― rb (soda), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link
My heart started racing at certain points of sagemiller's story
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:48 (six years ago) link
it was an excellent soberly-written (minimal hyperbole/jokes) detailed explanation. i enjoyed reading it and identified with a lot of the details.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:51 (six years ago) link
I definitely recognize the way organizational culture plays into it. You arrive in your first internship or whatever and you see the people around you behaving in a certain way regarding a boss and it seems off but it's not your place to raise it. Eventually you either play the game and get absorbed into the culture or you leave. Not that I've ever worked somewhere on Weinstein level of bad but I can see how the dynamic plays out with a bad boss.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Saturday, 14 October 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link
Is the Singer stuff confirmed? I remember that big lawsuit against him being dismissed when he had proof that the accuser's story didn't line up with a timeline or something, but I saw on Wikipedia there were some other accusations that sounded a bit iffy
― Nhex, Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link
gives me the Louis B Mayer chills
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link
Someone mentioned upthread or elsewhere that if there was ever a time for Corey Feldman to name names, it’s now ... same with the Singer stuff I would hope that seeing all these women share their stories & letting themselves be named might give victims of other abuses some hope idkThere’s so many known secrets that have caused so many people so much pain
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link
Just do what I say and you can get your way.
― jmm, Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:12 (six years ago) link
That’s the most interesting thing about this for me as a social science dabbler. I’ve been thinking about how this is fortunately absolutely not part of the corporate culture where I work, never has been, but I’ve certainly heard of other government offices, research shops, and we all know about military units where this kind of shit festers. At least in most of the public sector, inspectors general and employee ombudsman offices are mandated - so this kind of casting couch shit doesn’t last long, if it’s reported. I realize that’s a big if.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
That was an xp to man alive
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
In a movie with Mika Kunis and Kirsten Dunst when she resisted...
― Eazy, Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
more and more
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4979384/Eva-Green-managed-escape-Harvey-Weinstein.html
― nomar, Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link
aye but use other sources plz
― angelo irishagreementi (ledge), Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/13/russell-moore-de-niro-series-weinstein-company-scrapped-amazon/
― WilliamC, Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
iirc she mentioned they were underage in the thing posted above?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link
The guy has principles after all.
― Tom's Tits Experiment (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link
I mean ... what confirmation do you need re: Singer? Same as Weinstein, he’s a powerful. Nothing ever ends up on an official record, there’s just a mounting body of anecdotes that eventually snowball into an irrefutable awareness of behaviors r. And I *know* people who, first hand, report on Singer. Like Weinstein or Cosby or Ailes, nobody saw anything too damning, nothing that can’t be waved away away by a superpowered legal team, and there are always implied to be credibility problems with the people stepping forward.
― rb (soda), Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link
there are always implied to be credibility problems with the people stepping forward.
"Today, in a stunning coincidence, fifty women who do not know one another came forward with shockingly similar stories about the predatory sexual behavior of a powerful man. In a statement issued by the man's lawyer, the women were all said to be lying, for reasons that will become apparent once they've had time to study the situation in greater detail."
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link
remy otm
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:01 (six years ago) link
The sense I'm getting around town is that people are feeling empowered to come forward about other people now. One example is a friend of a friend whose wife worked at UTA as an assistant and was sexually harassed by the agent she worked for. She went to HR with evidence (lewd and disgusting texts, and so on.) the head of HR there told her, "we're not here for your pity party."
This revelation was in response to the head of UTA releasing a statement talking BS about how shocked and appalled he was etc...
― nomar, Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
Bob has things to say.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bob-weinstein-gets-emotional-depraved-harvey-saving-company-his-waking-nightmare-1048905
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
popbitch does also
http://popbitch.com/2017/10/inches-for-inches/
― piscesx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:23 (six years ago) link
“No you’re here to create an illusion that the company is a responsible workplace.”
― kim jong deal (suzy), Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
great op ed from the NYT about how women who get assaulted are asking for it. thanks for furthering discourse https://t.co/HhOkMiBICN— Ghouls N. Binoculars (@surfbordt) October 14, 2017
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link
Sorry, missed that it was already discussed.
Emma Thompson - one of the more radical prime-time interviews I've ever seen.
Radical would not have been "we need more women in power," it would be "power differentials this great must be destroyed."
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
a bit fucked up that sagemiller mentioned charlize and zellweger by name, a million times more fucked up that huffpo didn't blank them out
even if harvey was lying, none of the names of women who did or didn't sleep with him should be made public without their permission
― qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:19 (six years ago) link
i went to the reddit thread on r/movies on this after the NYT story initially came out to see their reactions bc i hate myself, and it immediately turned into a witch hunt over which ones were "harvey's girls"
a lot of people are just as hungry to hate the women he successfully manipulated as they are him
― qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link
Oh good a strong leftist man is here to tell us what the barriers to entry are for radical
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link
are you serious
― qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:28 (six years ago) link
that huffpo article also includes a fun "representatives for theron and zellweger have not responded to us" disclaimer as if they're both under trial too
― qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
^^ This is where Clooney’s comments seemed on the mark: that he had heard stories, but they were mostly shared to knock the talent of the actors (“slept her way up”), not to damn Harvey. Certainly heard that about some of the 90s stars in the past.
He may not have hit on him then, but the one he did hit on and was rejected by is now the name we’ve never heard of.
― Eazy, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
specifically said it was on huffpo to redact the names but if you think names of women accused of sleeping with harvey are good to publish without their consent idk what to tell you, this is pretty basic shit xp
― qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
ok lol tombot if you were referring to that twitter post and not me i'm sorry i got livid for a second, if you were referring to me fuck off
― qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
oh now i see the simon post, forgot you hated each other, ignore me
― qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link
enh "more female studio heads" isn't a *wrong* solution just an insufficient one. I don't hate anyone, just the discourse more generally
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 21:27 (six years ago) link
The solution is forced castration obv
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 October 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link
I don’t hate anyone here either tbf, I’m just a dick.
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 October 2017 22:00 (six years ago) link
same, <3 you all, saving my hate for capitalist hetero-patriarchy
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 14 October 2017 22:03 (six years ago) link
i hate all of you
― qualx, Saturday, 14 October 2017 22:52 (six years ago) link
i hate myself
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 October 2017 23:11 (six years ago) link
I hate the world, and any god that exists
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 October 2017 23:23 (six years ago) link