given that several of saville's victims have spoken about how awful it was to see him on tv all the time, i think cutting him out is the right move.absolutely, cutting him out would be the right move. they don't do that.
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Monday, 16 October 2017 09:23 (six years ago) link
"toothless enough to feel like normalisation" otm
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 16 October 2017 11:14 (six years ago) link
And in 2015, Jordan Sargent wrote in his Gawker article "Tell Us What You Know About Harvey Weinstein's 'Open Secret'"[7] that "rumors of the powerful producer leveraging his industry power for sexual satisfaction—consensual or otherwise—have tended to remain unaired, confined to hushed conversation and seedier gossip-blog comment threads."[4]
― johnny crunch, Monday, 16 October 2017 12:06 (six years ago) link
not sure this was posted
Tone-deaf to put it mildly pic.twitter.com/6CsG3Uit1Y— Vadim Rizov (@vrizov) October 13, 2017
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 October 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link
That Gawker story - combined with this DeRo profile about his R. Kelly pursuit underlines how necessary it is to have someone speaking on the record, either through the media or through the law. Changed everything with Cosby. Didn't, somehow, change things with Terry Richardson, though maybe he can be KO-ed now.
― Eazy, Monday, 16 October 2017 16:17 (six years ago) link
My greatest concern throughout this ordeal has been that the projected gross for Paddington 2 might be adversely affected, so I thank the Weinstein Company for taking the time to put my mind at ease.
― the scarest move i ever seen is scary move 4 (Old Lunch), Monday, 16 October 2017 16:20 (six years ago) link
“As the husband of a daughter...” https://t.co/Wnka8UxnJc
— Katie Rich (@katiemaryrich) October 15, 2017
sublime
nah, kinda bullshit
(mandatory disclaimer: WA is a creep and i've always said so)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 October 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
I flagged T-Richardson at work a couple of years ago - he'd donated some photos for an auction we were doing. I mentioned that he might not be a good choice for a charity that deals with survivors of assault. In the end they took his name off the press release but still exhibited the photos.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 16 October 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
I am still waiting for Trump to tweet about Weinstein that "there are good people on both sides".
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 16 October 2017 18:07 (six years ago) link
I did see Trumps reaction.
Basically, that he's known Weinstein for years, and the stories that have come out have been no surprise.
As plain as that, I don't think I've added or lost the weight of he said
― Mark G, Monday, 16 October 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
I'm sure they met at Clinton fundraisers back in the day
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 October 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
this is reaaaaallllly fucked up
http://nypost.com/2017/10/16/weinstein-co-gets-lifeline-from-real-estate-billionaire/
Weinstein Co. said it has won an “immediate cash infusion” from Colony, which is headed by billionaire Thomas J. Barrack Jr.
Weinstein Co. and Colony said they have also entered talks for “a potential sale of all or a significant portion of the company’s assets,” to the firm run by Barrack, a real-estate tycoon who is one of President Trump’s closest outside advisors in the business world.
. . . i mean . . . we're entering hail, caesar! territory
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/11/trumps-billionaire-friend-tom-barrack-says-hes-better-than-this.html
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 00:55 (six years ago) link
barrack bought miramax when it burst into flames too.. this isn't new for him.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 00:57 (six years ago) link
oh boy qualmsley is here now this thread will be nothing but stories about Russia from here on out
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:30 (six years ago) link
Going back to the subject of punishing innocent bystanders who worked on films/tv shows etc. for a sec...Here in Texas we've been having a long drawn-out battle to keep our Film Commission funded and open. Surprise Surprise that GOP lawmakers are seizing on the Weinstein scandal to try to shut the agency down and deny many many Texans in the industry a source of income and the state itself revenue and tax dollars.
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22492011_10214902824431986_2552834980319831246_n.jpg?oh=873025aa40b8e9cdfbe9fbfe2ca60e2b&oe=5A6D4C2C
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:38 (six years ago) link
Also want to point out that Shaheen's final quote is massive rmde given his party's other bugaboo.
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 01:40 (six years ago) link
https://www.avclub.com/lauren-holly-says-harvey-weinstein-showered-in-front-of-1819601394
She says it was so odd that she began to question herself, wondering if she was “just a prude,” but that changed when he got out of the shower and allegedly approached her while still naked. Holly says she wanted to run at that point, but he just told her she looked stressed and suggested that she give him a massage.
well ok then
― nomar, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 03:54 (six years ago) link
every one of these stories gives me the fear, deep in my stomach imagine being her & reading sorvino’s story for the first time after thinking all those years it was just you
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 04:30 (six years ago) link
It is almost laughable, that he used the same fucking technique, over and over and over and over. What the fuck is wrong with him.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 04:35 (six years ago) link
it’s not for them. it’s for him. it’s whatever pattern he’s established ~for himself~ that makes him feel powerful & in control enough to rob them of theirs pedophiles, serial rapists, serial abusers, serial killers...there’s a whole section of all of these offenders that settle into an established pattern, especially if they are using their own home/office/place of business as their base of operationif they dont have to travel to find their victims they dont have to be creativeit’s gross but it’s true
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 04:48 (six years ago) link
Never framed it that way in my mind, ugh.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 05:04 (six years ago) link
and that hotel in Cannes, Du Cap, seemed like it was a second home. I wonder if it ever "worked" for him there and he was always trying to recapture it? or if there was just some platonic ideal in his mind of how it would go down? and each attempt with each aspiring actress was like trying to beat a level on some videogame
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 06:51 (six years ago) link
I'm sure it always "worked" in his mind
― Number None, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 12:49 (six years ago) link
there’s a whole section of all of these offenders that settle into an established pattern
Yeah the sameness of the Weinstein accounts reminded me of the same thing in the Bill Cosby accounts -- in each case, there was such a clear m.o., repeated over and over for years.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 13:25 (six years ago) link
And a...response.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 13:28 (six years ago) link
Ugh. Not really worth parsing that, but the obvious thing to say is that he is conflating sexual attraction with sexual objectification. It is possible to be attracted to someone without turning them into an object.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 13:34 (six years ago) link
not if you're medusa
― ATTACK MY RUSTY TOOLBOX (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 13:34 (six years ago) link
Or King Midas. But apart from them.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 13:37 (six years ago) link
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 02:30 (twelve hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao at you accusing someone of being one-note
― ultros ultros-ghali, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 13:51 (six years ago) link
the objectification thing is largely a consequence of the legal dehumanization of women over the centuries. it was less than a hundred years ago they got the right to vote. before that they were legally treated as property. its dehumanization deeply rooted in world society.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 13:54 (six years ago) link
For sure. And has to be resisted on all fronts. To write a defense of it as the natural order of things is ... well ok it's National Review.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 13:56 (six years ago) link
reading that made me feel sick
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 13:59 (six years ago) link
the link, not the above post
Dennis Praeger is among the grossest people ever to have bylines in publications whose names aren't direct references to nazi propaganda.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link
THAT guy is still around? they really work til they drop dead, don't they
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:20 (six years ago) link
you cannot kill what does not live
― midas / medusa cage match (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:23 (six years ago) link
Dennis Praeger's reflections on his third marriage:
Many people advised me against marrying again. After all, they argued, I had no plans to have more children. And we live in a society that hardly demands marriage, let alone the remarriage of middle aged individuals. More than a few men additionally argued that I would come to value my “freedom.”
To be honest, I understood these arguments, but I believe that marriage is the greatest of all social institutions; I happen to agree with God who said in Genesis, “It is not good for man to be alone.”
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
Through all that I have experienced, I believe I can fairly say that I have learned a great deal about men, women, and marriage. It is one reason I began the “Male-Female Hour” – to help others in relating to the other sex and in their marriages.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:28 (six years ago) link
"Drunk driving is what men do, it's totally normal. And further, by repeatedly getting wasted and crashing my car, I can say that I have learned a lot about driving, and I'd like to share that knowledge with others."
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link
'i've always said you can't be a good bomb disposal expert until you've been atomised by an improvised explosive device, and now, on my new radio show, i enjoy helping other clouds of thin red mist settle into the next phase of their lives'
― midas / medusa cage match (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:42 (six years ago) link
Come on, you can't realistically expect marriage to be different than any other pursuit that you give up on without having made any real effort.
― You don't know how bad I hate terrible grammer. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link
http://mashable.com/2017/10/16/scott-rosenberg-screenwriter-weinstein-hollywood
― StanM, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:59 (six years ago) link
yesterday i started to read that Rosenberg response and it felt very very "tough guy" in a way that was off-putting.
― nomar, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 16:08 (six years ago) link
Funny thing was I was randomly thinking of Beautiful Girls the other day maybe in response to all this. Then I read this garbage tone poem and think "Not once do I see any mention of you actively trying to DO anything in the rest of your life to right the balance."
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 16:14 (six years ago) link
Never mind that what he's doing is saying the exact same thing he is criticizing the Hollywood men who have spoken before him has said ("I didn't realize it went as far as rape"), only while angrily waving his finger at them and telling them that they suck.
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
Christ, what an asshole
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
as per usual DJP makes the pertinent point
"EVERY BODY KNEWexcept i didn't really know"
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link
Agreed. Although I still think his explanation about why no one did anything is probably correct -- what action can you take? You can quietly warn actresses you know (although, as pointed out above, men had their own careers ruined for doing so when discovered), you can decline to work with him. You can't go to the police without someone to press charges. You can't write publicly about it without risking defamation lawsuits (and potentially disrespecting the wishes of victims).
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
yes but i'm also not sure the point of the piece except a) i'm not a bad guy, and b) please god why won't someone hire me to write a movie
― nomar, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 16:34 (six years ago) link