Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

every one of these stories gives me the fear, deep in my stomach

imagine being her & reading sorvino’s story for the first time after thinking all those years it was just you

It is almost laughable, that he used the same fucking technique, over and over and over and over. What the fuck is wrong with him.

it’s not for them. it’s for him. it’s whatever pattern he’s established ~for himself~ that makes him feel powerful & in control enough to rob them of theirs

pedophiles, serial rapists, serial abusers, serial killers...there’s a whole section of all of these offenders that settle into an established pattern, especially if they are using their own home/office/place of business as their base of operation

if they dont have to travel to find their victims they dont have to be creative

it’s gross but it’s true

Never framed it that way in my mind, ugh.

and that hotel in Cannes, Du Cap, seemed like it was a second home. I wonder if it ever "worked" for him there and he was always trying to recapture it? or if there was just some platonic ideal in his mind of how it would go down? and each attempt with each aspiring actress was like trying to beat a level on some videogame

I'm sure it always "worked" in his mind

there’s a whole section of all of these offenders that settle into an established pattern

Yeah the sameness of the Weinstein accounts reminded me of the same thing in the Bill Cosby accounts -- in each case, there was such a clear m.o., repeated over and over for years.

And a...response.

Ugh. Not really worth parsing that, but the obvious thing to say is that he is conflating sexual attraction with sexual objectification. It is possible to be attracted to someone without turning them into an object.

not if you're medusa

Or King Midas. But apart from them.

oh boy qualmsley is here now this thread will be nothing but stories about Russia from here on out

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 02:30 (twelve hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao at you accusing someone of being one-note

the objectification thing is largely a consequence of the legal dehumanization of women over the centuries. it was less than a hundred years ago they got the right to vote. before that they were legally treated as property. its dehumanization deeply rooted in world society.

For sure. And has to be resisted on all fronts. To write a defense of it as the natural order of things is ... well ok it's National Review.

reading that made me feel sick

the link, not the above post

Dennis Praeger is among the grossest people ever to have bylines in publications whose names aren't direct references to nazi propaganda.

THAT guy is still around? they really work til they drop dead, don't they

you cannot kill what does not live

Dennis Praeger's reflections on his third marriage:

Many people advised me against marrying again. After all, they argued, I had no plans to have more children. And we live in a society that hardly demands marriage, let alone the remarriage of middle aged individuals. More than a few men additionally argued that I would come to value my “freedom.”

To be honest, I understood these arguments, but I believe that marriage is the greatest of all social institutions; I happen to agree with God who said in Genesis, “It is not good for man to be alone.”

Through all that I have experienced, I believe I can fairly say that I have learned a great deal about men, women, and marriage. It is one reason I began the “Male-Female Hour” – to help others in relating to the other sex and in their marriages.

"Drunk driving is what men do, it's totally normal. And further, by repeatedly getting wasted and crashing my car, I can say that I have learned a lot about driving, and I'd like to share that knowledge with others."

'i've always said you can't be a good bomb disposal expert until you've been atomised by an improvised explosive device, and now, on my new radio show, i enjoy helping other clouds of thin red mist settle into the next phase of their lives'

Come on, you can't realistically expect marriage to be different than any other pursuit that you give up on without having made any real effort.

http://mashable.com/2017/10/16/scott-rosenberg-screenwriter-weinstein-hollywood

yesterday i started to read that Rosenberg response and it felt very very "tough guy" in a way that was off-putting.

Funny thing was I was randomly thinking of Beautiful Girls the other day maybe in response to all this. Then I read this garbage tone poem and think "Not once do I see any mention of you actively trying to DO anything in the rest of your life to right the balance."

Never mind that what he's doing is saying the exact same thing he is criticizing the Hollywood men who have spoken before him has said ("I didn't realize it went as far as rape"), only while angrily waving his finger at them and telling them that they suck.

Christ, what an asshole

as per usual DJP makes the pertinent point

"EVERY BODY KNEW

except i didn't really know"

Agreed. Although I still think his explanation about why no one did anything is probably correct -- what action can you take? You can quietly warn actresses you know (although, as pointed out above, men had their own careers ruined for doing so when discovered), you can decline to work with him. You can't go to the police without someone to press charges. You can't write publicly about it without risking defamation lawsuits (and potentially disrespecting the wishes of victims).

yes but i'm also not sure the point of the piece except a) i'm not a bad guy, and b) please god why won't someone hire me to write a movie

what action can you take? You can quietly warn actresses you know (although, as pointed out above, men had their own careers ruined for doing so when discovered), you can decline to work with him.

exactly, and declining to work being the "right move" means only the morally depraved end up working for him, expanding his circle of power. stay and you may be exploited but you may also be saving someone else who would have to take your place. the less sycophants around scumbags, the better?

imo ultimately it seems to be a personal choice to make and i can't fault anyone who was victimized for continuing to work in these realms. escape if you must or stay and fight if you want to, changing things from the inside.

it is encouraging to see more and more people coming out in different fields (in videogames there is a big shakeup at Naughty Dog though i dont know the details) people at large are making it clear that predatory behavior is unacceptable.

ugh garbage tone-poem is right -xposts

it makes it that much shittier that 3/4 of that screenwriter guy’s post is devoted to underlining how great things were for him & “everyone”

i’m sure it is coming from the right place but it’s so tin-eared. it’s like the he thinks he needs to show how great he had it for us to appreciate how awful Weinstein is ... and that is super, duuuuper not what is needed

I don't understand anyone writing defenses or explanations, especially when they're involved in the film industry, even at the most tangential level. Just shut up. Same goes for all actors making poofball nothing statements.

otm

a dude shouldn't be the one stepping up to explain why nobody said anything, and i'm not sure why the hell Rosenberg thought a hard-boiled novella was what was called for. well i mean i *know* why, he's a bro working in Hollywood. not a hero, not brave.

i was talking to my wife about all this last night, she said her thought was this story is causing this outpouring bc it's just women collectively being sick and tired and furious about everything over the past year-plus, especially related to Trump and his administration, and this disgusting piece of shit using his position to assault these iconic, famous women is sort of the tipping point.

she related a story to me about a guy who worked for her company taking her out to lunch years ago, and she felt uncomfortable about it because his vibe was all wrong, but her co-workers were like, oh don't worry, he just wants to get to know you, he takes everyone out to lunch. at lunch he vented that his marriage wasn't great, his wife didn't understand him, and he really liked her and was interested. after lunch she went right to her boss and said, i never want to work with him again and never want to see him again. and she was lucky, her boss understood and made that happen.

"And do you know how I am sure this is true?
Because I was there."

I can't help hearing this poem in the cadence of "Losing My Edge".

The more people who say "everyone knew", the better. We need to be reminded over and over again how normalized that kind of behavior is.

I don't dig the vibe--conditional apologies are shit.

http://perezhilton.com/2017-10-16-kevin-smith-harvey-weinstein-money-residuals-women-in-film-charity#.WeZJwNNSyM_

Harvey Weinstein, who was fired from Weinstein Co. on Oct. 8, has now "resigned" from the company's board, according to a source. More TKTK.

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) October 17, 2017

xpost -- Smith sticks to that commitment for the rest of his days, well, good on him. Now what more can he do?

Molly Ringwald:

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/all-the-other-harveys

that's concise and infuriating

and totally relatable. esp the part about dissociating :(

In my twenties, I was blindsided during an audition, when I was asked by the director, in a somewhat rhetorical manner, to let the lead actor put a dog collar around my neck. This was not even remotely in the pages I had studied; I could not even fathom how it made sense in the story. The actor was a friend of mine, and I looked in his eyes with panic. He looked back at me with an “I’m really sorry” expression on his face as his hands reached out toward my neck. I don’t even know if the collar ever made it on me, because that’s the closest I’ve had to an out-of-body experience. I’d like to think that I just walked out, but, more than likely, there’s an old VHS tape, disintegrating in a drawer somewhere, of me trying to remember lines with a dog collar around my neck in front of a young man I once had a crush on. I sobbed in the parking lot, and when I got home and called my agent to tell him what happened, he laughed and said, “Well, I guess that’s one for the memoirs. . . .” I fired him and moved to Paris not long after.

Jesus christ

Put this on every fkn billboard in the country

I never talked about these things publicly because, as a woman, it has always felt like I may as well have been talking about the weather. Stories like these have never been taken seriously. Women are shamed, told they are uptight, nasty, bitter, can’t take a joke, are too sensitive. And the men? Well, if they’re lucky, they might get elected President.

the head of a major studio—and, incidentally, someone who claims himself to be horrified by the Harvey allegations—was quoted as saying, “I wouldn’t know [Molly Ringwald] if she sat on my face.”

this was jeffrey katzenberg