that's concise and infuriating
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link
and totally relatable. esp the part about dissociating :(
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
In my twenties, I was blindsided during an audition, when I was asked by the director, in a somewhat rhetorical manner, to let the lead actor put a dog collar around my neck. This was not even remotely in the pages I had studied; I could not even fathom how it made sense in the story. The actor was a friend of mine, and I looked in his eyes with panic. He looked back at me with an “I’m really sorry” expression on his face as his hands reached out toward my neck. I don’t even know if the collar ever made it on me, because that’s the closest I’ve had to an out-of-body experience. I’d like to think that I just walked out, but, more than likely, there’s an old VHS tape, disintegrating in a drawer somewhere, of me trying to remember lines with a dog collar around my neck in front of a young man I once had a crush on. I sobbed in the parking lot, and when I got home and called my agent to tell him what happened, he laughed and said, “Well, I guess that’s one for the memoirs. . . .” I fired him and moved to Paris not long after.
Jesus christ
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link
Put this on every fkn billboard in the country I never talked about these things publicly because, as a woman, it has always felt like I may as well have been talking about the weather. Stories like these have never been taken seriously. Women are shamed, told they are uptight, nasty, bitter, can’t take a joke, are too sensitive. And the men? Well, if they’re lucky, they might get elected President.
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
the head of a major studio—and, incidentally, someone who claims himself to be horrified by the Harvey allegations—was quoted as saying, “I wouldn’t know [Molly Ringwald] if she sat on my face.”
this was jeffrey katzenberg
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
yep
― nomar, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:53 (six years ago) link
jeez what a prick
http://movieline.com/1995/09/01/sixteen-candles-in-the-wind/
― piscesx, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link
My lack of surprise.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link
damn
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 18:57 (six years ago) link
My gut reaction here is along the lines of "NOBODY MESSES WITH MOLLY R" tbh
It's great how she sued the collective Weinstein ass and got paid, then never had to deal with them again.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
she also seems on point on his lack of artistic taste... even worse than Tarantino.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/game-thrones-star-lena-headey-recalls-harvey-weinstein-174429568.html
Lena Headey w/a very unpleasant story too
― nomar, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link
the shot at Terry Gilliam seems illuminating, i was checking the wiki for The Brothers Grimm and while she obviously still remembers the abusive behavior, it's interesting to see how Matt Damon saw it
"I'm used to riding roughshod over studio executives," Gilliam explained, "but the Weinsteins rode roughshod over me."[4] Gilliam got so upset, filming was shut down for nearly two weeks. Matt Damon reflected on the situation: "I've never been in a situation like that. Terry was spitting rage at the system, at the Weinsteins. You can't try and impose big compromises on a visionary director like him. If you try to force him to do what you want creatively, he'll go nuclear."[4]
vv understanding of the pressures visionary men come under
― nomar, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link
Bob could also get a deserved due, it seems.
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/bob-weinstein-sexual-harassment-1202592165/
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 19:22 (six years ago) link
I love this:
How about Robert Downey Jr., opposite whom she did The Pick-up Artist? "Drinking didn't seem to be his drug of choice at the time," she observes, wryly. "That was kind of obvious, not so much in his behavior as in the long times he spent in the trailer and the people that were sort of hanging around the set. When one person's doing drugs and the other person isn't, they can't--well, let's say. I wasn't somebody he could associate with. I talked with him after the movie and he seems like a different person from the guy I was doing that movie with. I really wasn't crazy about Chaplin, though. I mean, for such a fascinating life as Charlie Chaplin's, it's the dullest movie."
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 19:24 (six years ago) link
During the dinner, (Bob) Weinstein asked Segel highly intimate questions and made romantic overtures to her, according to Segel. He wanted to know her age because he told her he didn’t want to date anyone younger than his daughter.
Because that would be creepy.
― nickn, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link
He wanted to know her age because he told her he didn’t want to date anyone younger than his daughter.
hero
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 19:35 (six years ago) link
sadly not surprised about Gilliam being a jerk re: Lena Headey. love his earlier movies but pretty sure he's had a bad set reputation for some time
― Nhex, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 19:59 (six years ago) link
Ringwald::When I was fourteen, a married film director stuck his tongue in my mouth on set.
Paul Mazursky?
― Eazy, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 20:00 (six years ago) link
I thought of that film too, but I suspect she was 13 when that was shot, looking at the dates involved.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 20:02 (six years ago) link
ugh ugh ugh
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link
That dog collar story is very affecting, something about the way she described it really made me feel the horror of it
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 20:13 (six years ago) link
there were only a couple of films where it could have occurred, one of them being a TV film. xp
a friend of a friend on FB discussed being in a film back in 2000 where the hard partying director sent for her, then tried to pressure her into taking her clothes off, implying her part could be cut down (or completely cut) if she didn't. ultimately she didn't, she managed to escape, and he didn't cut the part.
― nomar, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 20:14 (six years ago) link
Just confirmed with Amazon that Roy Price has resigned. HT to @brianstelter for getting it first. Or at least I think he got it first.— Nick Wingfield (@nickwingfield) October 17, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link
note that in the Movieline interview, closer to the time, she says the director had her male friend / co-star remove his belt, fasten it around her neck, and lead her with it as a leash
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 21:05 (six years ago) link
the movieline interview creeps me out, written as it is in such a patronizing and objectifying manner. This is not something that I think is specific to that piece either, because whenever I read interviews or profiles of women written by these male journalists the tone is unfortunately commonly just like that.
― nomar, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 21:12 (six years ago) link
I couldn't make it through the first page.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 21:27 (six years ago) link
the last line about "if Molly Ringwald keeps her head on straight she'll be just fine" or however it was put was infuriating.
― nomar, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
The Ringwald quotes suggest her intelligence and vivacity; it's the transitions that condescend to her. That headline too!
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link
Reading that Ringwald interview I experienced this strange sort of consciousness rift, something I've been experiencing in other places too lately, where I recognized a certain way of talking about women as totally familiar from when I was growing up and at the same time felt like I had suddenly woke up to how repugnant it was.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link
I recognize now that a lot of the attitudes and behavior and mannerisms described in these types of interviews are also quite commonly a direct reflection of how the male interviewer is behaving, rather than an accurate picture of who the interviewee is. They read as legitimate defense mechanisms.
― nomar, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link
I recognized a certain way of talking about women as totally familiar from when I was growing up and at the same time felt like I had suddenly woke up to how repugnant it was.
otm. The style has only recently started to disappear too.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 22:07 (six years ago) link
It's not exactly like suddenly poking your head out of a pool of sewage, it's more like getting a few miles above the sewage, forgetting it, and then suddenly looking down and being like "oh wait, I grew up in that sewage."
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link
The style has only recently started to disappear too
The style is still extremely prevalent, though less ubiquitous.
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
In this very forum we still have that Lohan "hot ready and legal!" headline as a freaking thread title, so.
(evry time that thread would pop to the top I'd feel a bit ill)
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 22:35 (six years ago) link
it was a headline on the cover of Rolling Stone; i'm p sure the thread title was mocking it (but i agree that seeing it pop up on New Answers is kind of gross regardless)
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 23:10 (six years ago) link
Oh yeah I was aware it was a RS cover but yeah.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 17 October 2017 23:11 (six years ago) link
And also just the fact that it was a Rolling Stone cover.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 00:34 (six years ago) link
Your years and my years were very different. https://t.co/8u0BdLaHYQ— rose mcgowan (@rosemcgowan) October 18, 2017
― nomar, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 16:08 (six years ago) link
good thread too
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
good point on that thread that Rosenberg's piece seems to be more about wistfully reliving his glory days in Hollywood hanging out w/Weinstein more than it seems to be about honest self-examination.
― nomar, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
“and, it should be noted: there were many who actually succumbed to his bulky charms. Willingly. “This negates every word in his “prose”.— Jocelyn Stanton (@jocelynmstanton) October 18, 2017
I momentarily cringed when I read that line but initially chose to overlook it, and that's like a microcosm of the way we as men often overlook such things. Looking at it in isolation though it's really awful -- "By the way, even though he raped women, some women also slept with him willingly," What the fuck is that supposed to mean? Let alone "succumbed" and "bulky charms." Disgusting.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
Just briefly going back to the LiLo RS thing, imagine all the back patting in their offices when they genderflipped the same headline some years later...
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/691571/thumbs/o-JUSTIN-BIEBER-LINDAY-LOHAN-HOT-READY-LEGAL-570.jpg?6
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link
Ha! Just noticed that Bieber cover has a headline that inspired another long-running ILX thread.
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:39 (six years ago) link
Global Warming: Mysteries of Batman.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:41 (six years ago) link
Global Warming: Hot, Ready, and Legal
― jmm, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
Two different ILX thread titles on one cover, sort of
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 18 October 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link
https://scontent.fbed1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/22339070_10210118009210198_8150974711524824851_o.jpg?oh=2896f78c2b25a85a6d5a9357c1be40fd&oe=5A7846E6
― scott seward, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link
i know it doesn't mean anything just felt like it was my civic duty to post that picture....