Can't help but hope that slaying a bunch of the whales and upsetting systemic misogyny are interrelated
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Thursday, 19 October 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
now Ann Coulter of all people is going after the gossip columnists who wrote the hit pieces on Ambra Gutierrez. it must be the "Democratic donor" angle w/Weinstein that got her going.
― nomar, Thursday, 19 October 2017 19:20 (six years ago) link
Tarantino speaks
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/movies/tarantino-weinstein.html
“I knew enough to do more than I did,” he said, citing several episodes involving prominent actresses. “There was more to it than just the normal rumors, the normal gossip. It wasn’t secondhand. I knew he did a couple of these things.”“I wish I had taken responsibility for what I heard,” he added. “If I had done the work I should have done then, I would have had to not work with him.”
“I wish I had taken responsibility for what I heard,” he added. “If I had done the work I should have done then, I would have had to not work with him.”
Uh.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 October 2017 21:31 (six years ago) link
well, that seems like one of the more honest apologies at least, although it's hard to understand why he didn't do anything even with his own girlfriend getting harassed.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Thursday, 19 October 2017 21:35 (six years ago) link
The anecdotes coming from men are really just stark illustrations of the ludicrous amount of power this shitbag wielded in his corner of the world.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 19 October 2017 21:42 (six years ago) link
also indicative of those men's tolerance of assholes with power
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 October 2017 22:26 (six years ago) link
I'm not defending him, but QT's career would've been over (or at the very least radically different/diminished) if he tried to buck his major benefactor. Weinstein's industry power was basically hush money for people like QT.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 October 2017 22:35 (six years ago) link
and yeah obviously people like QT ultimately weighed getting to make their movies the way they wanted to as being worth more than their coworkers/employees/significant others' safety
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 October 2017 22:37 (six years ago) link
otm
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 October 2017 22:38 (six years ago) link
frankly I think Tarantino comes off about as well as he possibly could in that piece, given his own admitted culpability
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 October 2017 22:41 (six years ago) link
I dunno. Weinstein was no doubt instrumental in turning Tarantino into a star director, but he became a star pretty early on. Basically, after Pulp Fiction he could have got anyone to produce his films, he was probably just more comfortable continuing with Weinstein. There weren't too many people who could have challenged Weinstein without paying much of a price, but I'd say Tarantino was one of them.
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, 19 October 2017 22:49 (six years ago) link
there is so much dodgy shit in Tarantino's films that other studios/producers would have balked at
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 October 2017 22:51 (six years ago) link
not to mention ridiculous money-losing schemes like 70mm roadshows and grindhouse double feature tours
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 October 2017 22:52 (six years ago) link
Is it an honest apology though? He really only heard about Weinstein's bad behavior secondhand? They collaborated for over two decades.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 19 October 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
what would firsthand be? witnessing it? participating in it?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 October 2017 22:54 (six years ago) link
He says "It wasn’t secondhand".
― jmm, Thursday, 19 October 2017 22:54 (six years ago) link
Hateful 8 made 100 million over production budget, 70mm screenings sold well and got the film twice the publicity it would have otherwise
Printing the programmes for each territory probably cut into things, but that's on the local distributors/exhibitors, not Weinstein Co
xpost
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 19 October 2017 22:57 (six years ago) link
Past Tarantino interviews and books have suggested he found Harvey's publicly-known behaviour personally disturbing, but that nobody fought harder to get them, which indicates how hard he'd fight to sell them.
(This could back up Shakey's perception of Grindhouse as a boondoggle, being a Bob joint)
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:01 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:09 (six years ago) link
no argument there
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:18 (six years ago) link
w/out Weinstein we might've been spared Q's career
o brave new world
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:30 (six years ago) link
Maybe I'm just old/jaded/grumpy but I've come to think art is overvalued when it's weighed against this level of victimization. I don't even like Tarantino, but even if it was someone I liked I'd trade their whole body of work to end systemic rape and molestation.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 20 October 2017 00:59 (six years ago) link
That sounds kind of duh now that I read it back.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 20 October 2017 01:00 (six years ago) link
Someone's films? Sure. Think the entire system's morally corrupt anyway, predatory men becoming (consciously or unconciously (though the latter's a bit generous, we're not talking paedophilia)) directors/producers due to access to beautiful young (and ever younger, since they control so much casting) women, etc.
― albvivertine, Friday, 20 October 2017 01:10 (six years ago) link
in many cases we ARE talking about paedophilia
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 20 October 2017 01:11 (six years ago) link
― Zelda Zonk, Thursday, October 19, 2017 6:49 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
he could've easily become a flash in the pan after Pulp Fiction. i can totally see him being the Michael Cimino of the 90s in another universe. i mean i think he could've done Jackie Brown with another studio, but probably not Kill Bill. not excusing it of course but the Weinsteins could and did destroy lives and careers over this shit. QT along with many others stayed silent to avoid that personal destruction, moreso than any allegiance to Harvey & Bob.
― flappy bird, Friday, 20 October 2017 01:12 (six years ago) link
the USA is built on slavery and genocide
behind every great fortune/nation/industry lies a crime
or as Jerry Lewis said of '50s Vegas, "THOSE GUYS knew how to run this town."
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 October 2017 01:14 (six years ago) link
To be honest Tarantino also stayed at Miramax because the entire industry is rife with misogynistic, controlling assholes and at least Harvey was in his corner. There are worse out there and I guess QT was comfortable living with the kind of harassment he alluded to as “chasing the secretary around the desk,” as opposed to options he considered worse (either professionally or ethically).
― rb (soda), Friday, 20 October 2017 01:17 (six years ago) link
It’s telling how few A-list male directors/producers have spoken openly and in an enlightened way about this, I think. Lots of skeletons being buried deep in lots of closets, shirts thrown over the top, and the Academy’s general kicking-out saving a lot of top-shelf talent from having to make hypocritical comments that might draw the bead on their own NDAs.
― rb (soda), Friday, 20 October 2017 01:22 (six years ago) link
The most telling thing to me in Tarantino's comments was the reference to the "boss chasing the secretary around the desk," which he then immediately acknowledged was not OK as a trope. It speaks to how engrained all of this is in the culture, it's been the stuff of jokes and gags and knowing invocations of the "casting couch" for decades. That doesn't excuse anybody, but there is a whole sense of a bunch of people suddenly going, "Oh, wait ... this thing we're all used to is actually terrible."
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 20 October 2017 01:40 (six years ago) link
similar to Woody Allen's "the guy winking in the office," but he's almost 30 years older
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 October 2017 01:43 (six years ago) link
Tipsy OTM, that's what I was getting at upthread as well.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 20 October 2017 01:44 (six years ago) link
Lupita Nyongo’s story...infuriating...hallelujah for these women tho seriously https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/19/opinion/lupita-nyongo-harvey-weinstein.html
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 October 2017 04:47 (six years ago) link
if there was a tarantino type who did stand up to him, would we know who he is now?
as i recall, kate beckinsale said one of her male friends, an actor, did stand up to him, and was essentially blackballed
i 1000% agree men need to stand up more just across the board, and recognize their complicity when they dont. i also think there's something inherent in the system that makes it so both men and women are discouraged from doing so. It breaks your heart to read an almost *guilty* feeling in Lupita Nyongo's essay, like she's lamenting she didn't do more about it.
but yeah I mean the system is set up so that powerful people can do what they want, capitalism is a ponzi scheme for effectively channeling sociopaths in the hopes theyre at least economically productive while being sociopathic monsters right
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 20 October 2017 05:55 (six years ago) link
all roads lead to the end of the world
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 20 October 2017 05:56 (six years ago) link
I was thinking about what made this takedown of a powerful predator successful, and I think one thing is having a number of women's stories all go public at the same time. That's makes it undeniable. It's sort of unfortunate because you won't always have that, but there's probably a lesson there in going after habitual predators.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 20 October 2017 12:12 (six years ago) link
To be honest Tarantino also stayed at Miramax because the entire industry is rife with misogynistic, controlling assholes and at least Harvey was in his corner.
See also: Don Simpson.
― Eazy, Friday, 20 October 2017 12:20 (six years ago) link
I thought I liked Miramax more than I do. Aside from a few pretty Oscar-bait films (The English Patient, The Wings of the Dove, Malèna), I could easily live without the catalogue.
― prelude to abjection (Sanpaku), Friday, 20 October 2017 13:03 (six years ago) link
the system is set up so that powerful people can do what they want, capitalism is a ponzi scheme for effectively channeling sociopaths in the hopes theyre at least economically productive while being sociopathic monsters right
ding ding ding
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 20 October 2017 13:07 (six years ago) link
"Oh, wait ... this thing we're all used to is actually terrible."
women have been saying this is terrible and no one has taken them seriously until nowif this is the dawn of a new age in which people believe women, i'll feel like it's a net win for society
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 20 October 2017 13:44 (six years ago) link
Even for me as someone with relatively feminist parents I feel a consciousness shift happening in myself.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Friday, 20 October 2017 14:01 (six years ago) link
hot
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 20 October 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link
Yes. Let's hope. And by "a bunch of people" I mostly meant a bunch of men, although I think women have been acculturated in a lot of the same ways, to accept that "that's just the way things are." So the awakening there is maybe less "Oh, this is terrible" than "Oh, we can do something about this?"
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 20 October 2017 16:04 (six years ago) link
yeah -- i recommend men watch out for their usage of "we"it's frequently unclear who "we" are
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 20 October 2017 16:09 (six years ago) link
"what do you mean we, white man?"
― El Tomboto, Friday, 20 October 2017 16:14 (six years ago) link
NY Post's Page Six:
Weinstein is currently in Arizona for sex addiction treatment; a source tells the Post, "In one group therapy session, Harvey arrived 15 minutes late. Then, when it was his turn to speak, he launched into a speech about how this is all a conspiracy against him... Harvey fell asleep in his chair [during others' personal stories]. He was only woken up by the ringing of his smuggled mobile phone [which is banned at the facility] ... Harvey jolted awake, jumped up, immediately took the call and then ran out of the room."
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 October 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
1) "sex addiction" um yeah no, you're a fucking predator2) what the fuck is wrong with people spying on therapy groups, fuck this fucking world
― brimstead, Friday, 20 October 2017 16:40 (six years ago) link
oh it was probably one of the attendees. fuck people.
i guess i probably would've blabbed