2017-18 NBA REGULAR SEASON THREAD PART 1 ALL OF AMERICAS FAVORITE TEAMS ARE BACK

they had him last year i think he came from the d league xp

Clarkson is great considering where he was drafted. Found money. He is a future 6th man of the year candidate imo.

delly needs to be deported asap

crikey!!

lol pat beverly is doing good work

Lakers bench unit is better than the starters

someone needed to immediately punk lonzo, thankfully pat was up to the task

Couldn’t think up a better pairing for him opening night

lonzo padding his rebound stats

blake is some sort of three point marksman now i guess

lmao bogut

ingram still isnt ready

he does not look great

The Ingram jumper looks BROKE

he may end up being one of those guys who looks like he was made to play basketball but just doesnt have the feel

Lauri > Lonzo

lot of rookies looking pretty > lonzo right now

Lakers ain't even makin the Playoffs😌

— Lonzo Ball (@ZO2_) October 30, 2013

Clippers guard Patrick Beverly screamed outside locker room, "Weak ass m****** f******. Bring him out on the... https://t.co/9BO7aCqMjb

— Marc J. Spears (@MarcJSpearsESPN) October 20, 2017

i think a lot of players are gonna wanna son lonzo

It seems like a James Johnson flagrant foul on Lonzo is better than even money

Beverley on Lonzo Ball: “I told him after the game, due to all the rifraff his dad brings he’s going to get a lot of people coming at him."

— Kurt Helin (@basketballtalk) October 20, 2017

That reminds me of that story about jayson williams repeatedly committing hard fouls on Brent Barry. Brent asked why he kept doing it and Williams said “sorry man, I just hate your dad.” And Barry replied “I hate him too!”

only watched a little last night but ball looked fine to me. obv being matched up against pat bev is gonna make anyone look worse

"ricky rubio w/ a decent shot" still seems like a highly likely lonzo outcome to me

i didn't get the kidd comparisons when lonzo was in college but i think he's gonna have a harder time scoring than he did in college so i see it now. a lot of 16-12-11 stat lines in his future it looks like

does he have a decent shot? can he rack up the assists if he cant beat his man off the dribble?

i feel like his shot will be fine

why does everyone keep saying thaaat

https://i.imgur.com/mJNglWv.png

like even if he can hit a decent percentage his shot will never be fine because his deranged form limits the types of shots he can take so severely

idk man it goes in

there is not a lot of evidence of that! also see my second point

idk i don't really read too deeply of the college prospect literature but i sort of feel like the track record for 18 year old freshmen who shoot .550/.412/.673 has to be pretty good.

yeah i mean if thats all youve got to go on

buut ucla basically ran people off the court ball was getting a ton of transition layups and wide open threes, which doesnt seem like a plan in the nba, basically unanimous amongst scouts that he struggled to generate offense in the halfcourt, in college

wait .673?

iirc UCLA tried to change lonzo's shot bcuz he has trouble getting it off while off the dribble, especially going in one direction, i forget which. lavar blew up at steve alford and they scrapped it. so i don't think his shot is perfect or fine, just that i'm confident he'll be able to hit open jumpers at an acceptable clip which is far more than ricky rubio can do, to bring it back to the point.

here are my thoughts on lonzo's shot:

1) he seems like someone who has practiced specific shots but has not really worked on general shotmaking. he's got the stepback 3 and the open 3 at least. i bet he'll make the open 3 at a decent clip.

2) related to lack of shotmaking, he's going to take a lot of weird floaters and stuff because i don't think he can line up his jumper on the move.

3) he bricked two free throws last night and both appeared to have sidespin on them, which is...not what you want.

per espn stats the lakers averaged .48 points/possession when beverley guarded lonzo last night

teenage rookie guards tend to be very bad iirc, i'm sure he'll struggle a fair bit

in a league where point guards are relied on so heavily to break down their defender and increasingly to generate and hit quality 3s off the dribble im just not sure how this guy who has trouble beating his own man much less penetrating the second level of D and who has a shot that he cant take going left unless he steps way back fits in, also its kinda weird that everyone is just accepting the it goes in story abt that jumper after 200 college attempts, he may be some sort of basketball genius but how much is that worth if you dont have the fundamental skills to express yr genius, dangelo russell put up 30 in his first game btw

wait .673?

― ciderpress, Friday, October 20, 2017 11:03 AM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this too

kinda funny how both fultz and ball put up great numbers from 3 but sucked from the line, suspect their 3 percentages will turn out to be a least partially fools gold

UCLA had great spacing but lonzo got the rim in college. he doesn't look like a great one on one player obv but i still think he should be pretty good as a high pick and roll player. as long as guys can't go under picks on him every play (i.e. can he hit moderately deep wide open threes) i think things will mostly lock into place for him given his passing ability.

kinda funny how both fultz and ball put up great numbers from 3 but sucked from the line, suspect their 3 percentages will turn out to be a least partially fools gold

― lag∞n, Friday, October 20, 2017 11:13 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark

i do wonder if the NBA three point revolution means that the old correlation between FT% and true shooting ability will be less strong if every kid coming out of high school now is shooting 100 three pointers a day in practice or whatever.

this is rly good https://www.si.com/nba/2017/10/20/lonzo-ball-lakers-debut-patrick-beverley-clippers

i just went through the box scores of all the games ball has played as a pro summer/pre/regular season and hes currently 14 for 57 from three or 24%, he took 194 total threes in his college career

dedicated hater i like it

the conventional wisdom on ball just doesnt match up with conventional reality, which is why people seem to need to bring out unconventional descriptors like basketball genius to justify ball, the only explanation i can find is people must really like to see perimeter passes delivered a beat earlier than usual

like court vision is a secondary nba skill, its not worth much on its own

I keep seeing this thread title as "all of america's favorite teams are black" and thinking "yeah, true"