that was a pretty bad botch, but that's from late september and apple already patched and fixed that
it's not even an APFS problem, it's a problem they introduced in the password management dialog for disk encryption
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:16 (six years ago) link
someone managed to screw up the code that takes the password and hint, and ended up using the password variable where they should have put the hint variable
whoopsy
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
the specific bug is not a show stopper but it's embarrassingly prominent enough, and part of a pattern, that suggests they're either not testing enough, don't care enough or are rushing.
― š šš¢šØ (caek), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:20 (six years ago) link
also the space bar doesn't work on their flagship computer
fair
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link
it's not an indictment of APFS, though!
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:23 (six years ago) link
my 6s touchscreen has been acting really weird since the update
seems like apple is trying to blame it on third party screen replacement
which is weird since i got my phone refurbished from t-mobile, i would figure they'd use parts approved by apple
― the late great, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
xp no afaict the FS is fine in the abstract.
but the FS interacts with userland, and every time it does it inspires no confidence.
and the difficult time low level fs devs have had with with APFS itself (e.g. read back through http://www.shirt-pocket.com/blog/index.php/shadedgrey/C5/) suggests there is, at best, a lack of documentation and communication that doesn't bode well for their bandwidth to solve bigger problems.
― š šš¢šØ (caek), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
i've been using osx since the public beta. i know things have never been perfect. and the situation has been worse than it is now. but the software situation is getting worse, and the hardware situation is not good (and the mac line is a disaster).
random selection from the last ~20 or so posts on michael tsai's blog
https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/10/20/an-important-part-of-our-product-line-going-forward/https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/10/19/the-sad-state-of-ios-11s-tv-app/https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/10/19/you-cant-turn-off-spotlight-on-your-time-machine-backup/https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/10/18/unreliable-macbook-pro-keyboards/https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/10/17/how-icloud-drive-can-break-time-machine-backups/https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/10/14/the-impossible-dream-of-usb-c/https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/10/12/apfs-and-institutional-recovery-keys/
apple is making some huge mistakes. i don't know what i'd do if my 2012 macbook pro died and i needed to replace it. the new macbooks are so unattractive maybe i'd just say fuck it and go back to using a PC (something i haven't done since my sophomore year of college).
― Mordy, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
at a conference this weekend I was chairing a session & needed to find a laptop to hook up to the projector. someone offered a new macbook but the normal method of copying slides from people's usb keys (which speakers were naturally prepared to do) wouldn't work bc evidently the new macbook doesn't take usb unless you have an adaptor?
― droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:39 (six years ago) link
otm the mac line needs some serious work, should have kept at the least one legacy USB port
but yeah Euler, it has a USB port, but it's type C, whereas nearly every device that's not a screwed up camera or cell phone uses A
'A' completely sucks in its own ways but it's the ad hoc standard because memory sticks are ubiquitous
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:43 (six years ago) link
wow yeah that's nuts, do they know/care how much people use usb keys?
I'm on board with smaller / thinner but a usb port's a lot different than e.g. a parallel port
― droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link
the answer was, apparently, no
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link
xp i'm unhappy enough with this new macbook pro that i've been looking at dell xps and precision laptops but i find the build process extremely confusing
― the late great, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link
i use my usb port every single day. i use it to backup my computer, i use to plug in my gaming controller, i use it to add books to my kindle, or charge a device. i really do not understand what they thinking by eliminating it.
― Mordy, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
tbf to apple w/r/t usb sticks i think they (rightly) believe that they are on their way out, given that nowadays most people are on wifi with gmail or stuff is on a shared drive or they can airdrop etc
― the late great, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
all of the other laptop makers still pretty much suck in their own ways. my work one is a Dell one and I'd rate it as checking all the boxes of what I need, but it'd sure be nice if it had the high DPI screen and trackpad of a Mac
the market seems to be half tablet-like laptops with high resolution screens, sometimes with touch control, and shitty keyboard/trackpads. the other half is trad laptops with relatively low resolution screens and boxy-ass designs
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
at conferences not everyone has eduroam so we have to deal with asking for temp permission to them to get wifi; usually speakers are international so they don't necessarily have 3/4g access either, and anyway they'd have to tether their laptops...it's such a hassle when we can just pop in the usb key instead.
my kids in hs/middle school use their usb keys daily bc the computer labs at school require them---they don't have "shared cloud space" or whatever. then they work on stuff at home and bring it back to school on their keys. gmail won't replace this.
I still don't know what the use situation for airdrop is
― droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
people said the exact same things about floppy drives, honestly, they always do this xxps
― .oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link
the best overall feature set on a Windows laptop is probably the Microsoft ones, which brings up a lot of philosophical questions
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
I think comparing the usb problem to the floppy drive is exactly what Apple's mindset was, and I think it's not a good comparison
I think ditching usb was fine. The problem is that the usb-c peripheral market is a disaster.
― š šš¢šØ (caek), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
anyway I use my personal laptop at home for maybe 30 minutes a week at this point, Macs are basically a work concern for me, which means I don't care as much
― .oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
the best computer in 2017 is the Nintendo Switch
― .oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link
if Nintendo made a phone I'd buy it
they might be right that usb is going to be gone soon but we're nowhere near that point. if i want to use my playstation controller wirelessly w/ my macbook - DESPITE it being bluetooth compatible so that it can work wirelessly with my playstation - i need to plug in a bluetooth transmitter thingie into my usb port. if they want to kill the usb port they better make sure everything is set up to accommodate ppl who need it.
― Mordy, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link
It's really bad from where I'm standing. I'm using my W7 PC more and more and work because fuck it, it works.
Bring back Forstall and Serlet, imo
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Apple is absolutely and unquestionably going in the wrong direction. Poor vision, decreasing quality, increasing prices, failure to execute.— Bob Burrough (@bob_burrough) October 22, 2017
― stet, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link
you could easily just buy a shitload of $3 usb A-to-C adapters and put them in a bucket in a computer lab or leave one next to the podium. such is the march of interface
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link
xp my HS physics and chemistry students use google docs and google sheets at home and then just keep using google docs and sheets when they get to school, it's a good system
not sure if i was teaching another subject (like coding or whatever) if it would work as well
― the late great, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link
what's even the point? so it's an extra 1/10th of an inch thinner and i get to tote around adapters?? who was clamoring for a v slightly thinner macbook experience?
― Mordy, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link
ideally this will end with me not using any computers, other than getting me into high-paying jobs without having to work hard at it they've ruined my life
― .oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
xp this is neither here nor there as we use PCs at school so they can use their USB keys if they feel like it
― the late great, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link
I think the main draw for USB C is that it sucks incrementally less and is in theory a more robust interface
there's nothing stopping them from putting one C and one A connector on a laptop, or even, god forbid, three or four ports other than their hardware design philosophy
I just know the largest Dell laptop, which is usually aesthetically a dump truck, probably has like six different USB ports, a VGA port, HDMI, and at least one port I can't even identify because their enterprise customers demand it
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:07 (six years ago) link
i'm looking at the side of my macbook pro and ... it looks too thin for usb-A
― the late great, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link
here we go, on a Dell you get:1. 3-in-1 SD card reader | 2. USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type A | 3. Ethernet | 4. Security N Lock| 5. Power adapter | 6. USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type-Cā¢ (DP/Power Delivery) | 7. HDMI out | 8. USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type A with PowerShare | 9. USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type A | 10. Audio
So uh, one USB C, and three USB A ports with varying features that I can't decipher
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link
my work windows 7 PC is remarkably bulletproof. it's good.
my home media PC with windows 10 or w/e is okay but it's full of microsoft upsell crap.
my iMac, it's good but i don't really use it for anything other than paying bills and occasional photo editing. i read/do most things on an iDevice or while i'm at work on my work computer
― é¾, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:18 (six years ago) link
in other words, i'm fully on board 'the Personal Computer is dead' train
― é¾, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
my latest reason for hating apple is that i took a video in landscape mode but can't figure out how to rotate it to portrait mode for easy viewing on twitter without downloading a zillion third party apps
― é¾, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
I reckon the next series of Black Mirror should have an episode where the only way you can write anything is using predictive text on a tiny touchscreen.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link
yeah windows 7 at work, 4-y-o HP laptop, fucking flies, Photoshop opens in like 4 seconds. totally solid. HDD. puts my mini in the shade.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 October 2017 17:46 (six years ago) link
Photoshop has run faster on PCs for years I think. Something about ancient code base on the Mac version.
― Alba, Monday, 23 October 2017 17:59 (six years ago) link
i guess that's it. everything else is just really fast too though (relatively). windows explorer vs finder, opera vs opera, outlook vs mail.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link
my coworkers have made the point that the last few Windows 10 updates have really tightened up the core OS, crediting the fact Microsoft's been working really hard on getting things working for cloud deployment -- if you have virtualized servers running at scale, you really have to have your shit together
the user experience in Windows 10 is still a complete mixed bag, but ehh
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:23 (six years ago) link
I get the impression that the Windows kernel and shell orgs are basically good at their job, and Marketing insists on crapping things up to justify their own existence and the fact that you still ostensibly have to pay for Windows
― .oO (silby), Monday, 23 October 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
also i didn't think it was possible but apple made the podcasts app worse. worse!!
― é¾, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link
agreed. new podcasts app is garbage. can't find anything.
― Mordy, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:33 (six years ago) link
imo they should integrate the GUI team and the hardware team
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/surface-book-2/8MCPZJJCC98C/TC4H
specs-wise, this is... good? just make one without a touchscreen and with a good-ass keyboard and trackpad and I'm in
I have the microsoft surface desktop keyboard, and it's good! they can make good ones, I think the surface books use some soft surface tablet keyboard bullshit though
― mh, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link
has apple ever had a good podcast app, on anything
i updated my moms iphone iOS when she visited a few weeks back and she was almost in tears with how bad the podcast app update was. "i had it just the way i liked it why would they do this? who cares about these big pictures?"
― Spottie, Monday, 23 October 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link