grow up and move on, witch hunters
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 October 2017 16:05 (six years ago) link
high five each other
― President Keyes, Monday, 30 October 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link
Probably an indication of how this Taibbi thing is going to play out (w/o any victim testimony) in the mainstream is the interview he did on On the Media this weekend, where Brooke Gladstone was very much "Because this is in the news I guess I have to ask you about this eXile thing that's 20 years old and a satire."
― President Keyes, Monday, 30 October 2017 16:24 (six years ago) link
the lengths y'all go to to defend and excuse the actions of someone you like
― flappy bird, Monday, 30 October 2017 17:06 (six years ago) link
yeah Brooke Gladstone is a rollover enabler now
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 October 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link
the "it was actually fiction" excuse is almost beyond belief to me, like who the hell is buying that shit?
really surprised there's been no post yet by kingfish about how they apparently fucked up the recording of yesterday's premium episode
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 30 October 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link
lol there was though
― flappy bird, Monday, 30 October 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
hahaha doh
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 30 October 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
brooke gladstone u sayhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&persist_app=1&noapp=1&v=8zQEmDL6efo
― proton, neutron, electron and crouton (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 30 October 2017 17:48 (six years ago) link
wow this thread got disgusting
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 30 October 2017 17:54 (six years ago) link
Brooke Gladstone’s book tour hits Portland tonight, should I ask her about it?
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:04 (six years ago) link
about disgusting non-unanimity? might take awhile
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link
RL Stephens has a good thread about twitter vs real-life work
R.L. Stephens@RLisDeadThe base required to win elections is different than the base needed for transformative class struggle.To win a US electoral campaign, you need to mobilize those who are already likely to vote (wealthier, whiter). Most poor ppl don't voteTransformative class struggle is about building the capacity of the poor and dispossessed to not only win campaigns, but to lead societyIt's not that it's impossible to do both electoral campaigns and transformative class struggle, it's that we can't conflate the two. If you fight for a policy, are you doing it in a way that builds a base for transformative class struggle or just mobilizing likely voters?
The base required to win elections is different than the base needed for transformative class struggle.
To win a US electoral campaign, you need to mobilize those who are already likely to vote (wealthier, whiter). Most poor ppl don't vote
Transformative class struggle is about building the capacity of the poor and dispossessed to not only win campaigns, but to lead society
It's not that it's impossible to do both electoral campaigns and transformative class struggle, it's that we can't conflate the two.
If you fight for a policy, are you doing it in a way that builds a base for transformative class struggle or just mobilizing likely voters?
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link
I never read the eXile (or this spin-off book), is it accurate to say that parts of it were clearly fictional, liked Ames suggests? (and if so, were the fictional and non-fiction parts clearly demarcated, or did they play around with the ambiguity?)
― soref, Monday, 30 October 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link
scary baker@meshuggeknight·2hReplying to @RLisDead and @samseabornagainOutside of finally winning elections, what's the mechanism for attaining state power for the base?R.L. Stephens@RLisDead·1hthe state is just a legitimizing apparatus, the real power is in motion elsewhere (landlord/tenant, boss/worker, debtor/debt owner, etc)Without building power to directly challenge those underlying relations, then state power will be pretty useless for social transformationscary baker @meshuggeknightNo, i get that, but how do you finally take control of the state apparatus that runs society without the legitimacy of elections-R.L. Stephens@RLisDeadthe state apparatus doesn't run society, it legitimizes dominance already in motion through various relations but this isn't something that will be hammered out through twitter. i think organizing should prioritize challenging underlying relations
R.L. Stephens@RLisDead·1hthe state is just a legitimizing apparatus, the real power is in motion elsewhere (landlord/tenant, boss/worker, debtor/debt owner, etc)
Without building power to directly challenge those underlying relations, then state power will be pretty useless for social transformation
scary baker @meshuggeknight
No, i get that, but how do you finally take control of the state apparatus that runs society without the legitimacy of elections
-R.L. Stephens@RLisDead
the state apparatus doesn't run society, it legitimizes dominance already in motion through various relations
but this isn't something that will be hammered out through twitter. i think organizing should prioritize challenging underlying relations
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link
(Twitter convos suck at any other sharing aside form screencaps)
Parts were clearly fictional. Parts were straight-up, high-quality journalism. Parts were completely ambiguous. Ames, more than Taibbi, went out of his way to make himself look appalling. That was part of the schtick of the paper - it was designed to be outrageous and horrible - but it's impossible to neatly split 'Mark Ames the satirical creation' and 'Mark Ames the terrible person'. If 10% of it was true, it was still pretty unpleasant.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:23 (six years ago) link
"pretty unpleasant"
jesus fucking christ
― flappy bird, Monday, 30 October 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
"if 10% of it was true" not referring specifically to the assault allegations but the general air of degradation.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link
I’m kinda how much we’re being haunted from 90s Gen X shittalking about politics.
I separate it from the more current dirtbag leftist tendency because the political aims are far diffierent(one actually has political aims, for one). The two styles are only superficially similar(they both can be snarky), which means that they get conflated online constantly, because social media obsessively foregrounds the most superficial connections possible.
90s nihilistic shitlording was more of a defensive cynicism, wasn’t it? Folks were all transgressive and snarking about Clinton Era shit because actually organizing to take power was a task discard decades back by folks who got burned or traumatized in the process. How many remember Suck.com, where the dominating vibe seemed to be hipster nihilism? eXile fits in that category, doesn’t it?
Gawker can sorta stand in a transition point, couldn’t it? You go from a snipey Gen X/Suck.com non-ideological stance to something which still had the mordant humor but more political aims(with HamNo, Pareene(sorta), J.E.B. Lund & more than a few others). Then Gawker gets taken out, leaves a vacuum, and Chapo is there to fill it.
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
I’m kinda wondering that post should begin with
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link
Haha: the letters jay eee bee get auto-replaced
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Monday, 30 October 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
Good ep, worth the wait.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 14:03 (six years ago) link
I credit them for finding that excellent Atlantic piece, because it probably would have flown under my radar otherwise. What's great about it is not clear from the headline.
was just thinking about how much of a useful idiot one has to be at this point to still not realize that the entire CTH universe is propped up with russian propaganda $$$. Just because it's possible to anticipate an argument or constantly lampshade it with snark doesn't mean it's not true, buds ❤❤❤
― Dan I., Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
waht
― proton, neutron, electron and crouton (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:54 (six years ago) link
...?
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
― Dan I., Wednesday, November 1, 2017 9:52 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you're a catastrophically stupid person
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
catastrophic for whom?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:57 (six years ago) link
himself, the state of discourse around politics in the u.s.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
This may be one layer of irony too deep of an irony-poisoned show
Like, we fell thru the irony superstructure and have passed thru every level of the base, so we’ve taken up residence in the irony sub-basement
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
not everything you don't like is russia for the love of god
things that are russia according to libs with large social media presences in the u.s.: black lives matter, bernie sanders and his supporters, the catalan independence movement, racism and white supremacy in america etc.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:00 (six years ago) link
useful idiot, you say
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link
patreon is a russian front open your eyes
― while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
correct the record troll
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link
aren't one of you going to "ironically" call me a cuck?
― Dan I., Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link
what are you doing here, buddy?
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link
resisting
― difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
that popular ironic ilx insult "cuck"
― while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
Ian D.
― But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:18 (six years ago) link
If the CTH Universe was propped up with Russian Money, Street Fight would be bragging about and doing waaaaaay more drugs.
― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link
Kratom by the kilo
well this has taken a turn
― Simon H., Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link
*wonders to self* What are people fighting about on the Chapo thread now?*clicks*"blinks**blinks again**clicks back, considering the void and the unknowable strangeness of man*
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link
related note: just heard that apparently "liberal" is a bad word again--only this time it's being stigmatized by those on the left. If your goal is to make no one feel safe self-identifying with left-wing politics for fear of using the wrong moniker you're doing a great fucking job
― Dan I., Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link
where did you "hear" that, Lenny Letter?
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
I think we found a time traveler from February 2017.
― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
Back in 2016 it was more common for tankies to accuse them of being a CIA front. Tables have turned I guess.
― IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse/comments/76x4h3/cuck/?st=j9hbmpxz&sh=b0677581Sheesh! Believe me, that was not at all cherry picked either
― Dan I., Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:34 (six years ago) link
oh i think you're looking for a different thread: everybody on ilx complains about reddit
― Mordy, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:36 (six years ago) link