i used to be under the illusion that he was a good actor. actually he probably *was*, back in the Miami Blues/Red October days. before he turned into a comedy hack.
― drejelire, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 19:52 (six years ago) link
he usually plays some variation of Alec Baldwin
― mh, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 19:54 (six years ago) link
his one scene in GGR too of course, but yes otm
― Simon H., Tuesday, 31 October 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link
i wonder if the likes of American Beauty, LA Confidential etc will become like Birth Of A Nation, never broadcast, nor issued on any upcoming formats, never shown at fests or anniversary screenings, ultimately spoken of in hushed tones and rotting away unloved on a studio shelf.
― piscesx,
Do you mean last year's crap Birth of a Nation or Griffith? Even in my university's worse than mediocre film program the Griffith film gets shown in class.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link
Baldwin was a good leading man up til mid-'90s, then other than a couple of decent supporting roles he's been pretty intolerable. the leading man who was unexpectedly good at comedy turned into a guy who thought he was a comic actor and it didn't work.
― drejelire, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 19:58 (six years ago) link
He and Wahlberg are the saving grace of The Departed...
I saw Baldwin emcee a screening of a George C Scott film he selected a few months ago, and he was genial and amusing. Didn't make me think he was a good guy. (It was The Savage Is Loose, a desert-island incest drama.)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 19:59 (six years ago) link
Birth of a Nation's place in film history is secure
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:00 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I can buy the BFI's recently remastered/restored etc etc blu ray of Birth of a Nation for six pounds in my local rec shop.
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:00 (six years ago) link
yeah he's good in The Departed!
― drejelire, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:02 (six years ago) link
I thought he was good in Still Alice and Blue Jasmine.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:02 (six years ago) link
he's probably as underrated as a serious actor as spacey is overrated
but anyway we've uh strayed somewhat off topic
― Simon H., Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
there are some subtle and not-so-subtle reasons why Baldwin was picked for a recurring Trump parody
sometimes there's a misogyny that's not faked
― mh, Tuesday, October 31, 2017 2:47 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this part of the interview makes me think imitating Trump is infecting his speech patterns, this is sooo Trump:
Jimmy is one of the smartest, he’s one of the cleverest. He went to Harvard, super-intellect. Jimmy is one of the greatest conversationalists in the world. My wife and I went over to Cannes with him, and we had the time of our life with him and Michael Mailer. We had a great time. We made a film. We were very happy with the film we made. We sold it to HBO when it was done.
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:07 (six years ago) link
I think Baldwin always spoke that way.
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:08 (six years ago) link
someone once made a comment about self-important middle-aged men with grandiose ways of speech and permanent whiskey bloat-face that's stuck with me
― mh, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:08 (six years ago) link
the thing that shits me off is that this “I didn’t personally know he was doing this” is some kind of wall to accepting that it IS a thing that is happening in the world your good business buddy, your intelligent longtime friend can still be a fucking piece of shit to women. and honestly, the fact that youndoesnt have tits is like 70% of why this is a mystery to you Alec there is an opportunity for empathy. the double doors swung wide to receive some kind of humility, humanity, good will to the women in your industry and instead you fuckin sidestep backpedal MOONWALK away on the back of a long standing friendship that has NOTHING to do with JIMMYS behaviour
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link
His whole GGR monologue is like Trump fan fiction. I bet Trump himself knows it by heart.
― dinnerboat, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
Good post, VG.
― mick signals, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
...empathy. the double doors swung wide to receive some kind of humility, humanity, good will to the women in your industry...
nothing AB has ever said or done that I'm aware of would suggest that anyone should have expected any better
― Simon H., Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
Baldwin spent an entire interview saying how he's worked with this guy, has enjoyed this guy's company, has seen the guy be sketchy in a way that didn't cross Baldwin's own boundaries for acceptable behavior, and also this guy ("Jimmy") is pretty broken about about this
there's nothing in there at all about the actual actions or the victims or even whether anything bad happened other than accusations, which are the real bad thing here
― mh, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
does Alec Baldwin think sexual assault is bad? not sure, might have to call him back
― mh, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:31 (six years ago) link
Griffith yeah I forgot there was a remake.
― piscesx, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:31 (six years ago) link
xpost EXACTLY
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jeremy-piven-accused-sexually-assaulting-193415180.html
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link
Didn't someone on here have a story about Piven bringing her into his room?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
hard to believe that piven's a creep
― cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:47 (six years ago) link
Andy Dick
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/nprs-top-editor-accused-of-sexual-harassment-by-two-women/2017/10/31/a2078bea-bdf7-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.56857c364095
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link
I honestly don't know how to read this
we don't know any of these ppl, gen speaking
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
he radiates douchebaggery
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:09 (six years ago) link
ok, i prob haven't seen him in anything in 15 years
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:11 (six years ago) link
still, that could've been... acting?
true
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:16 (six years ago) link
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/vYZs7dU6y2tl.jpg
― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:23 (six years ago) link
huh? dane kinda looks less douchey in a fedora
― dynamicinterface, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:25 (six years ago) link
i am unfamiliar with the gentlemen in fedoras there but if that is 'less douchey' then i mean
― imago, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:27 (six years ago) link
Jeremy is also wearing a hat
― drejelire, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:28 (six years ago) link
fedora on the right = kid rock
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:29 (six years ago) link
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:42 PM (forty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It was an ilxor relating their friend's encounter on the Christina Ricci appreciation thread.
― how's life, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:30 (six years ago) link
Here's the list of the 93 women who were sexually assaulted by #HarveyWeinstein.14 rapes as of today. We the victims have compiled this list pic.twitter.com/d2ohrgYy9e— Asia Argento (@AsiaArgento) October 30, 2017
― j., Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:31 (six years ago) link
Might as well link xp:
The Christina Ricci appreciation thread
― how's life, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:31 (six years ago) link
yeah, wasn't going to link that because the tone in the thread and the other anecdotes are really out of place in a sexual violence context
― mh, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 21:39 (six years ago) link
Does an Anne Perry reader condone murder?
IF the film itself doesn't espouse horrible views, it will still be watched. *The Pianist* will still be watched for decades, despite Polanski's acts in his personal life.
*American Beauty* is a flawed film, but in its era, it remains a standout for the mainstream. I haven't seen the nature of Spacey's transgressions. If it turns out he was a rapist, then *American Beauty* will be presented as a decent film that depicted the confusing and purposeless lives in its time, in which one of the ensemble cast was a violent sex addict. If he just patted asses and said sexist things, even that caveat won't be mentioned. He'll be a typical "entitled male" of his (and probably, that future) time.
― Sanpaku, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link
it's a shitty film
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 22:07 (six years ago) link
Compared to?
Its an Oscar-bait talky film, with no likeable, but the direction is superb. Compared to the 500 or so theatrical releases that year, it would have merited placing in the top 20 or so.
We live in an era of Transformers IV, in which most mainstream films are made for pre-teens and the Chinese market. I'll take Oscar-bait any day.
― Sanpaku, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 22:11 (six years ago) link
^no likeable characters
bleeccch american beauty is so bad
most films are so bad
― brimstead, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 22:12 (six years ago) link
most Oscar-bait films are not well-remembered, in terms of cinema history (see the many Annual Oscar polls for reference/evidence)
it's poorly written, poorly acted, poorly directed, poorly conceived, everything about it is bad. I think on the original "American Beauty" thread I called it a "crime against humanity". The smug self-satisfaction of the actors, writer, director and art director(s) oozes off the screen with every cliched image, thin caricature, and telegraphed plot twist.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 22:16 (six years ago) link
Better films released in 1999:
Election (by far the closest analogue to American Beauty, and superior in every way)Office SpaceGhost DogThe Straight StoryDickThree KingsThe Talented Mr. RipleyGalaxy Quest
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 22:20 (six years ago) link
(American films, I guess I should specify)
xxp otm, even when i was susceptible to the most shamelessly schmaltzy Oscar bait (Crash) I hated American Beauty. specifically the ridiculous soaring score. but the whole conceit of the thing is so pretentious and silly, although i love that the movie was inspired by a PLASTIC BAG floating in the wind. I do like one line a lot, though: Spacey's boss comes over, asks if he has a minute. "For you? I have five."
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 22:22 (six years ago) link