Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

someone once made a comment about self-important middle-aged men with grandiose ways of speech and permanent whiskey bloat-face that's stuck with me

the thing that shits me off is that this “I didn’t personally know he was doing this” is some kind of wall to accepting that it IS a thing that is happening in the world

your good business buddy, your intelligent longtime friend can still be a fucking piece of shit to women. and honestly, the fact that youndoesnt have tits is like 70% of why this is a mystery to you Alec

there is an opportunity for empathy. the double doors swung wide to receive some kind of humility, humanity, good will to the women in your industry and instead you fuckin sidestep backpedal MOONWALK away on the back of a long standing friendship that has NOTHING to do with JIMMYS behaviour

His whole GGR monologue is like Trump fan fiction. I bet Trump himself knows it by heart.

Good post, VG.

...empathy. the double doors swung wide to receive some kind of humility, humanity, good will to the women in your industry...

nothing AB has ever said or done that I'm aware of would suggest that anyone should have expected any better

Baldwin spent an entire interview saying how he's worked with this guy, has enjoyed this guy's company, has seen the guy be sketchy in a way that didn't cross Baldwin's own boundaries for acceptable behavior, and also this guy ("Jimmy") is pretty broken about about this

there's nothing in there at all about the actual actions or the victims or even whether anything bad happened other than accusations, which are the real bad thing here

does Alec Baldwin think sexual assault is bad? not sure, might have to call him back

Griffith yeah I forgot there was a remake.

xpost EXACTLY

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jeremy-piven-accused-sexually-assaulting-193415180.html

Didn't someone on here have a story about Piven bringing her into his room?

hard to believe that piven's a creep

Andy Dick

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/nprs-top-editor-accused-of-sexual-harassment-by-two-women/2017/10/31/a2078bea-bdf7-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html?utm_term=.56857c364095

hard to believe that piven's a creep

I honestly don't know how to read this

we don't know any of these ppl, gen speaking

he radiates douchebaggery

ok, i prob haven't seen him in anything in 15 years

still, that could've been... acting?

true

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/mp/vYZs7dU6y2tl.jpg

huh? dane kinda looks less douchey in a fedora

i am unfamiliar with the gentlemen in fedoras there but if that is 'less douchey' then i mean

Jeremy is also wearing a hat

fedora on the right = kid rock

Didn't someone on here have a story about Piven bringing her into his room?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:42 PM (forty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It was an ilxor relating their friend's encounter on the Christina Ricci appreciation thread.

Here's the list of the 93 women who were sexually assaulted by #HarveyWeinstein.14 rapes as of today. We the victims have compiled this list pic.twitter.com/d2ohrgYy9e

— Asia Argento (@AsiaArgento) October 30, 2017

Might as well link xp:

The Christina Ricci appreciation thread

yeah, wasn't going to link that because the tone in the thread and the other anecdotes are really out of place in a sexual violence context

Does an Anne Perry reader condone murder?

IF the film itself doesn't espouse horrible views, it will still be watched. *The Pianist* will still be watched for decades, despite Polanski's acts in his personal life.

*American Beauty* is a flawed film, but in its era, it remains a standout for the mainstream. I haven't seen the nature of Spacey's transgressions. If it turns out he was a rapist, then *American Beauty* will be presented as a decent film that depicted the confusing and purposeless lives in its time, in which one of the ensemble cast was a violent sex addict. If he just patted asses and said sexist things, even that caveat won't be mentioned. He'll be a typical "entitled male" of his (and probably, that future) time.

it's a shitty film

Compared to?

Its an Oscar-bait talky film, with no likeable, but the direction is superb. Compared to the 500 or so theatrical releases that year, it would have merited placing in the top 20 or so.

We live in an era of Transformers IV, in which most mainstream films are made for pre-teens and the Chinese market. I'll take Oscar-bait any day.

^no likeable characters

bleeccch american beauty is so bad

most films are so bad

most Oscar-bait films are not well-remembered, in terms of cinema history (see the many Annual Oscar polls for reference/evidence)

it's poorly written, poorly acted, poorly directed, poorly conceived, everything about it is bad. I think on the original "American Beauty" thread I called it a "crime against humanity". The smug self-satisfaction of the actors, writer, director and art director(s) oozes off the screen with every cliched image, thin caricature, and telegraphed plot twist.

Better films released in 1999:

Election (by far the closest analogue to American Beauty, and superior in every way)
Office Space
Ghost Dog
The Straight Story
Dick
Three Kings
The Talented Mr. Ripley
Galaxy Quest

(American films, I guess I should specify)

xxp otm, even when i was susceptible to the most shamelessly schmaltzy Oscar bait (Crash) I hated American Beauty. specifically the ridiculous soaring score. but the whole conceit of the thing is so pretentious and silly, although i love that the movie was inspired by a PLASTIC BAG floating in the wind. I do like one line a lot, though: Spacey's boss comes over, asks if he has a minute. "For you? I have five."

Also "American _____" is the most overused and annoying title template.

Not too hard to come up with 20 better films from 1999. It was a pretty good year.

It's the third best movie from 1999 that starts with "American" ("Movie," "Pie")

Election (by far the closest analogue to American Beauty, and superior in every way)

Oh hell yeah, this is a great comparison, and yeah Election is one of my favorite movies, can't wait for the Criterion reissue next month.

I haven't revisited Magnolia in a while, have a feeling it could go either way now for me- although most people hate it for the frog scene and the spontaneous singing, which i love love love...

it's poorly written, poorly acted, poorly directed, poorly conceived, everything about it is bad. I think on the original "American Beauty" thread I called it a "crime against humanity". The smug self-satisfaction of the actors, writer, director and art director(s) oozes off the screen with every cliched image, thin caricature, and telegraphed plot twist.

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, October 31, 2017 5:16 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes. I only saw it once but loathed pretty much every minute of it.

I left off some respectable/well-liked things I don't particularly dig (like Magnolia, the South Park movie, American Pie, All About My Mother, Fight Club) but I wouldn't begrudge anyone liking those, they are not as objectively terrible as American Beauty.

I'd agree to Election and The Straight Story from your list. Personally, my canon would include Being John Malkovich, Herod's Law, All About My Mother, Kikujiro, Gloomy Sunday, The Hurricane, and yes, Fight Club.

The Iron Giant obviously the best film released in 1999

and I almost forgot - AB has the classic gay-panic-murderer plot device! one of the most loathsome tropes in American cinema.

oh shit dunno how I missed BJM, that movie is great would absolutely include it in a year's best of (decade's best of too, probably)

A hell in which I'm condemned to watch Oscar bait like The Danish Girl instead of Transformers would be beyond the scope of human language to describe.

guys, surely there is another thread better served for this kind of discussion

Honestly, how common is the gay panic murder device? I don't get out to see many films, but I do watch politics, and discomfit with homosexual longing oozes from their pores.