Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

and I almost forgot - AB has the classic gay-panic-murderer plot device! one of the most loathsome tropes in American cinema.

oh shit dunno how I missed BJM, that movie is great would absolutely include it in a year's best of (decade's best of too, probably)

A hell in which I'm condemned to watch Oscar bait like The Danish Girl instead of Transformers would be beyond the scope of human language to describe.

guys, surely there is another thread better served for this kind of discussion

Honestly, how common is the gay panic murder device? I don't get out to see many films, but I do watch politics, and discomfit with homosexual longing oozes from their pores.

oh god alfred that scene when Redmayne's characters turns into a scarf at the end, blowing in the wind

guys, surely there is another thread better served for this kind of discussion

Rather.

yep, apologies

Honestly, how common is the gay panic murder device? I don't get out to see many films, but I do watch politics, and discomfit with homosexual longing oozes from their pores.

are you serious

Cruising, Hard, Silent Partner, (plus cross-dresser/gender confusion sub-group: Silence of the Lambs, Sleepaway Camp, Dressed to Kill)

this is off the top of my head, there are so many of these

but yes let's take this to another thread

surely there is another thread

This thread went off those rails long before the discussion of Oscar-bait films of 1999, which is at least tangentally related to Miramax.

If we can have a shooting spree rolling thread, surely we can have a thread on public figures who have been disclosed as sexual predators.

i wonder if the likes of American Beauty, LA Confidential etc will become like Birth Of A Nation, never broadcast, nor issued on any upcoming formats, never shown at fests or anniversary screenings, ultimately spoken of in hushed tones and rotting away unloved on a studio shelf.

Well, tying in some other relevant names, James Toback's most well-known film (I'd guess, looking at his director credits) is his documentary on Mike Tyson - a convicted rapist who's been completely rehabilitated by the entertainment/sports world.

Unless this stuff is signaling a sea change in public attitudes that stick around (doubtful), sexual assault is the most forgivable crime.

'99 is probably my favorite movie year from my own lifetime. I liked American Beauty the first time I saw it and then wondered upon seeing it a second time if I'd suffered some kind of two-hour episode the first time I saw it. Still shocked that Alan Ball was subsequently responsible for something as good as Six Feet Under.

We have this thread: 1999 in film

i wd assume that spacey's career is basically over now, right? regardless of the status of his past films, it's hard to imagine him getting cast in anything any time soon

Mike Tyson - a convicted rapist

At least he did time unlike the rest of these guys

this thread can be about predators absolutely but right now it’s devolved into overlooked movies from the 90’s and I want it to stop

BREAKING: Six women, including @oliviamunn & @nathenstridge, have accused Brett Ratner of sexual harassment or misconduct. Our story: https://t.co/qwjjQAIuFk

— Amy Kaufman (@AmyKinLA) November 1, 2017

Christ not the little big man as well..

can revelations about mcg and/or zack snyder be far behind

wd assume that spacey's career is basically over now, right? regardless of the status of his past films, it's hard to imagine him getting cast in anything any time soon

The hastiness of House Of Cards' cancellation suggests coworkers know there's more to come out. At the moment there's one story about him, as a youngish closeted former teen theatre kid, making a move on a teen theatre kid that he'd picked as being gay, and stopping when consent wasn't given. There have been loads of past murmurs about modern Spacey being a creep in London theatre, but a less horrendous "apology" to Rapp could have resolved this situation career-wise, if it's all there is.

there's this now, though:

https://www.avclub.com/two-more-actors-accuse-kevin-spacey-of-sexual-assault-a-1820037557

Spacey obliterated any chance at career rehabilitation with his statement throwing the LGBT community under the bus. There will be no Mel Gibson-esque reconsideration in 10 years.

Spacey has three major films in the can right now: he's starring in two of them, and the other one is a pretty big deal, Billionaire Boys Club. I wonder what's going to happen there, they can't exactly CGI him out.

yeah i just saw the trailer for the J Paul Getty one

might go straight to video/stream

the Brett Ratner thing is the least surprising thing on the planet. him going on a radio show and bragging about a sexual relationship with someone, a relationship that never happened, is probably a good indicator of a terrible human being and a red flag of someone capable of exactly what the stories tell.

yeah Ratner is not surprising and iirc there were stories before. I remember Howard Stern going over a clip of Ratner being interviewed by Jimmy Kimmel and him telling a story about hanging with Michael Jackson and throwing water balloons at homeless people from a limo at five in the morning. Howard was horrified- glad the clip is still up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufp006AHlgs

trying to think which hollywood man I'd be surprised to learn such things about. Clooney has a pretty squeaky image I guess. Spielberg. That's probably it.

i'd probably be surprised by Scorsese if only because for all his various wives over the years and earlier drug problems, he just seems like someone whose life is devoted to film. and everything i hear about him suggests he's an extremely decent guy. but you never know what happened in the '70s, and i remember a story or two from that Biskind book that weren't exactly in line w/what i just noted about him.

Always interesting the hear where Stern draws the line.

I wouldn't be shocked it Clooney were a shithead. Spielberg, yeah. Tom Hanks, yeah.

No one would surprise me, really. When you start thinking people are too innocent-seeming or above behavior, you start drawing lines.

Clooney's pranking antics are well-known enough that I wouldn't put it past him to not have the best judgment of when to not cross the line

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/dustin-hoffman-sexually-harassed-me-i-was-17-guest-column-1053466

Nic Cage, be disappointing if he was up to anything as mundane tbh

that's true, cf the responses to the Ratner accusations in the piece from his former assistants...

Drew Carey
Garry Marshall
Denzel Washington
Will Smith
Daniel Dae Kim
John Cho
Aziz Ansari
Chris Pratt
Mike Schur
Wil Arnett
Clive Owen

you can safely assume the more power and wealth someone accumulates, the more likely it is they've felt entitled to doing awful things

Multiple xps: I'm currently reading that recent biography of George Lucas, and whenever Marcia was off editing a film for Marty, Lucas made it absolutely clear he did not trust Scorsese not to try to make a move on her.

BTW, Dustin Hoffman: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/dustin-hoffman-sexually-harassed-me-i-was-17-guest-column-1053466

like none of the 10 DJP just listed would be at all shocking to me idk xp

Flight of the concords guys

Mike Schur would be shocking primarily from a friend-of-friends perspective

It would not surprise me to learn that any given man who had ever done anything for attention had committed sexual assault.

surely our ruffalo would never

this is turning into a tabloid "who's up next" and it's gross

Also, as these allegations mount and we tally them, it feels like we are starting to be more interested in keeping a tally on a scorecard than we are in helping the people victimized in these situations. I don't know what to do about that feeling.

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Tom Cruise is an obvious one. Travolta too. Although they're probably being shielded by Scientology for now.

Clooney is gay, right? That's the only gossip I've heard about him, that all his girlfriends were beards.

let's ask his wife

well obviously she'd lie

so that's how it works

let's ask his wife

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& wives/ex-wives of Cruise, Travolta...

anyway sorry getting off topic again

take it to the toxic masculinity thread