Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

well obviously she'd lie

so that's how it works

let's ask his wife

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:50 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

& wives/ex-wives of Cruise, Travolta...

anyway sorry getting off topic again

take it to the toxic masculinity thread

pretty sure clooney is not gay although his wife is gorgeous as fuck

also being gay doesn't disqualify you as spacey has proven

the creepy accusations against Cruise (coming from, for instance, my TV fantasy girlfriend Nazanin Boniadi) have been so public for so long with zero ramifications I wonder if anything will ever come of them. granted I guess they aren't assault, they're just creepy.

now's the time if it's ever going to happen. But Cruise, Travolta, + many others are protected by Scientology in addition to their endless NDAs, lawyers, cash reserves, etc.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/top-newsroom-official-at-npr-resigns-amid-harassment-allegations/2017/11/01/d26d682c-bf1e-11e7-8444-a0d4f04b89eb_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-low_npr-1245pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.2af22efb9b2b

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/us/dartmouth-professors-sexual-misconduct.html?&moduleDetail=section-news-2&action=click&contentCollection=U.S.®ion=Footer&module=MoreInSection&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

that piece re Dustin Hoffman is utterly, believably sad

these 'artists' who allegedly strive for the transcendent and go as low as they can around 'littler' people...

morbs otm

and thinking about being 17 too ... it hurts my heart for her to have to reconcile his behaviour with this setting where she was so excited to just be a part of it

the common thread among all these stories is the sense of celebrity arrogance and the sense that everyone around them is theirs for the taking. sometimes it's a very casual, offhand behavior, and sometimes it's very calculated and predator-like, and sometimes it's this desperate and pathetic use of status to get what they want. sometimes it's two of the three, sometimes all three.

Every secondhand story I've heard about a male celebrity is a variant on the continuum of "that guy is a dog" or "that guy is a groper" or "don't be in a room alone with that guy" - whether they're d-list British celebs or proper famous ones.

...Except for one of the guys mentioned upthread by DJP, who is likewise an acquaintance of an acquaintance and a super low-key nice person.

Has this been posted?

“I am sorry for all the times I stabbed men, just a little, in my previous workplace. After years of counseling, I stopped stabbing men.”

— Kate Harding (@KateHarding) October 28, 2017

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22912/former-grad-student-accuses-neil-de-grasse-tyson-emily-zanotti

I default believe all people coming forward as victims and the burden of proof in public accusation, unlike the law, is credibility and on the accused to prove innocence, not the court system to prove guilt of accused. But that doesn’t mean unclear things won’t surface, and that we as observers won’t have to tentatively be somewhat neutral

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/warner-bros-severs-ties-brett-ratner-1202604934/

otoh you have Ratner

Hoo boy.

http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/kevin-spacey-alleged-sexual-relationship.html

CW: Danny Masterson is accused of 4 counts of violent rape, involving Scientology cover ups. He's hired Cosby and Ratner's attorneys.

Exclusive: Despite ‘Overwhelming’ Evidence Against Actor Danny Masterson, including 4 victims, Rape Case Has Stalled https://t.co/sMBMPfiXKK

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 2, 2017

He's hired Cosby and Ratner's attorneys.

for when you need help appearing even more obviously guilty

(click tweet to see thread with more info)

some of the details in those stories are sickening

That Spacey story is so foul it makes me want to go home and burn any copies I have of any movie he's in.

I have some thoughts on the Spacey story, and the source. Aaaaand they will stay in my head.

I really hate the way my brain processes traumatic events because after reading that guy's story, I sat staring at my screen thinking, "Jesus, what a terrible story. I'm glad he seems to have come out the other side okay-" and then all of a sudden every other thought was crowded out by "Keyser Sose touches kids / Doo-dah, doo-dah" to the tune of "Camptown Races".

that most recent accuser of spacey's sounds like one incredibly fucked up person. I'm not victim blaming but my god.

?
i thought he sounded credible

it takes a lot of work to come out of the other side ok
sometimes people who experience these things at a very young age don't ever realize that they were preyed upon, that it wasn't their fault. at least he has. it's a bitter pill to realize you were preyed upon when you thought you were making a decision.

seems more like a fucked up period than a fucked up person?

xpost

"Keyser Sose touches kids / Doo-dah, doo-dah" to the tune of "Camptown Races".

I LOLed too, guilt schmilt.

that most recent accuser of spacey's sounds like one incredibly fucked up person. I'm not victim blaming but my god.

― akm, Thursday, November 2, 2017 2:35 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i have no idea what you are talking about. this account? http://www.vulture.com/2017/11/kevin-spacey-alleged-sexual-relationship.html

that experience so closely matched my own, it was painful to read

i was stunned by how articulately he was able to speak about it, how conflicted he felt at a later age even when he became certain of how fucked up it was

i mean this is ... ugh i don't even know. intense

What he left me with, more than what he took from me, was a sense that I deserved this. And that’s the knot I’m still untangling. Every time I’ve ever told the story, I am compelled to tell people how seductive I was towards these men. I’m compelled to tell people how much I wanted these things because some very deep part of me feels like it’s lying if I don’t say that. If I don’t describe how consensual it was. Some part of me takes a lot of work to understand that I can have been the victim of someone and not be a victim. So that’s all fucked up in my head.

and this. i remember doing the same thing when i started to process what had happened to me.

When did your thinking around what had happened start to change?
When do I start to think of him as a sexual predator?

Yeah. I assume you would call him that now.
I would call him that to his face. I would call him a pedophile and a sexual predator. When I turned 25, I looked at every 14-year-old boy I could see, to try to understand what those men had seen, because I still on some level thought I had been a tiny adult. That whole year I was 25, I tried to just see the ones who were like six-foot-two, and 200 pounds — they all looked like children. They all looked like somebody who was 10 years old four years ago. Nobody looks fuckable. Nobody … I couldn’t conjure it up. I couldn’t conjure up the desire. It was nauseating to think of having sex with them, and that was, I think, certainly when I understood, on a very deep level, these men were fucked up. Up until then, I just thought about him as somebody who had really done me wrong and tried to rape me, but not as somebody who had functioned as a predator. And then, if you’re interested in sexual predation, you start to read about it, and you realize all these patterns and techniques, and it all kind of falls within a set of practices.

yeah - i don't quite see what the criticism of his story is? what do you see that maligns the accuser? if anything, he's terribly honest about his own motivations as a teenager

i felt the same way
teenagers think they have it all figured out and really they don't
it can take many years to come to terms with being victimized/preyed upon

that most recent accuser of spacey's sounds like one incredibly fucked up person. I'm not victim blaming but my god.

― akm, Thursday, November 2, 2017 2:35 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hmm interesting wonder what could have possible made him "fucked up"

I have some thoughts on the Spacey story, and the source. Aaaaand they will stay in my head.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, November 2, 2017 2:32 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I really hate the way my brain processes traumatic events because after reading that guy's story, I sat staring at my screen thinking, "Jesus, what a terrible story. I'm glad he seems to have come out the other side okay-" and then all of a sudden every other thought was crowded out by "Keyser Sose touches kids / Doo-dah, doo-dah" to the tune of "Camptown Races".

― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Thursday, November 2, 2017 2:34 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that most recent accuser of spacey's sounds like one incredibly fucked up person. I'm not victim blaming but my god.

<3 you DJP but really you should've done what morbz did here

woops meant to leave out akms post in there but whatever

god theres some dumb shit itt today smh

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22912/former-grad-student-accuses-neil-de-grasse-tyson-emily-zanotti

― j., Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:13 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yep.

is that a "yep" like a John Gruber "yep"

that anonymous spacey account tore my heart to shreds

agree

yeah I wasn't trying to tarnish him, just that those situations with the cousin and the parents fucked him up.

well duh