yeah Simon, i mean like i said i love the album as it is and have never regularly listened to an alternative sequence, but it's interesting to see what choices BC made in that sequence & what you can infer from it- for example, all the songs about Courtney Love (other than Bodies) are on the "Midnight" side: WBFTT, Zero, Fuck You, Love, X.Y.U.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:23 (six years ago) link
Wait, the whole point of "Tonight Tonight" IS that it's (almost) the opening number. It signals an experience is on, melodramatically.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
Are there many albums that have singles as closers? I’m trying to think of one but can’t. That could’ve been cool too.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, November 2, 2017 2:20 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tons off the top of my head: The Bends, In Utero, Insomniac, Merriweather Post Pavilion, Yeezus, Washing Machine...
― flappy bird, Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
we have a thread about that for sure
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link
I also can't think of any place where swapping in a song from TAFH into MCIS would work. Love has always been my least favorite song on there, but it works really well as a transition between Fuck You and Cupid de Locke. Love is a rocker but it's drenched in all that flange, and BC's "cyber-affixed" vocal. it's a rocker but it has a goofiness about it that Mouths of Babes and Marquis in Spades don't.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link
I love Love but tbh I have never liked Cupid de Locke
this is the sequence I'm trying out today - preserves a lot of the original for some stretches https://open.spotify.com/user/suckerblues/playlist/3z2Hd4z3a4inBsHRAmIHky
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
I'm the other way around, I love 'Cupid de Locke', but as much as I love the way 'Love' sounds, I don't think much of it as a song.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
I like it. The muzzle>33>pennies>set the ray>porcelina sequence is particularly nice.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 2 November 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link
^^ That's the best part of that sequence, I agree.
Love Cupid, and I seem to be of the minority that really loves Farewell & Goodnight too. "A silver rain will wash away..." The song ends ambiguous, with a question mark ("and you can tell"), as if it is of two minds, in doubt. Despite every member contributing. Do not see a lot of people stanning for it.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 2 November 2017 22:10 (six years ago) link
oh i love that song, but it'd be one of the first to go in any edited tracklist i did
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 November 2017 22:38 (six years ago) link
always loved that line “The sun shines but I don’t” , sums up the record
― flappy bird, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:09 (six years ago) link
any song but that one closing the record is heretical imho, the only convincing show of band unity in their entire catalogue
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:16 (six years ago) link
otmthe few performances of them doing it in ‘96 with everyone singing their parts are really beautiful
― flappy bird, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:17 (six years ago) link
also I've never been that wild about "WBFTT," "Bodies," or "In the Arms of Sleep"
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:20 (six years ago) link
what
excuse me
"bodies"???
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
Whaaaa... How can you not love "In The Arms of Sleep"? One of the best cuts on MCIS!
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:29 (six years ago) link
ITAOS has some of BC's most annoying vox and lyrics, one of the few songs of his I can't get through as an adult
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:33 (six years ago) link
ah that’s like my relationship to “rotten apples”
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:34 (six years ago) link
You make me feel I *suck* at being an adult, because I still love that song ;_;
"Suffer my desire" is one for the ages. It's a motto.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:35 (six years ago) link
Rotten Apples still rules, too. Despite bad memories attached to that song.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:36 (six years ago) link
also feel like Galapagos nails a pretty similar vibe but is a way better song and renders it redundant on the first disc
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:36 (six years ago) link
Ok that might have come across weird and gross, I don't suffer desire, but it's def relatable. And I love the flute, whistley sound, that sounds like last breath, ghouls gathering around a death bed.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:38 (six years ago) link
"Carve out your heart for keeps in an old oak tree"
Slays, both lyrically and in delivery.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:39 (six years ago) link
"suffer my desire for you" is yeah p much exactly the line and delivery I can't deal with in 2017
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:40 (six years ago) link
i'd like to believe that "rotten apples" rules but billy sings it like dogshit. it's really apparently when sequenced next to "medelia" which is one of my favorite vocals he's ever done
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:41 (six years ago) link
"galapogos" is a perfect song imo
yes, top 10 so songs probably. medelia was the last thing I cut from my sequence tho I could probably swab out tonite reprise
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:44 (six years ago) link
lol *sp *swap
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:45 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:48 (six years ago) link
re: “Suffer my desire” - so much of MCIS is sung from different perspectives and attitudes. The super whiny needy vocal performance fits the super whiny pathetic lyrics. Same can be said for the naive nihilism of Tales of a Scorched Earth (“you’re all whores and I’m a fag” / “I lie just to be real, id die just to feel, why do the same old things keep on happening???????”)
― flappy bird, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:51 (six years ago) link
the ludicrous sonics of TOASE wallpaper all other considerations for me, also lol at the Doom sample
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:52 (six years ago) link
the Doom sample is in Where Boys Fear to Tread (recurs several times but first happens right before Billy sings the first line)
― flappy bird, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:53 (six years ago) link
These abbreviations are doing my head in, though it's a very, very SP thing. TOASE? :/
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:55 (six years ago) link
oic
oh fuck you're right on the sample
― Simon H., Thursday, 2 November 2017 23:56 (six years ago) link
it's funny how the drumming on the destination unknown cover is boring given the two bands' drummers
― j., Monday, 21 October 2019 18:34 (four years ago) link
feeling these the most these days
"Pastichio Medley" (always)"Mouths of Babes" (massive riff, tune)"Rotten Apples" (this one just feel right)"The Last Song" (don't know if i would find it as moving if corgan sr. wasn't playing on it)"Meladori Magpie" (wonderful tune)"God" (rawk)"Marquis in Spades" (rawwwwwwk, great lead guitar)
― brimstead, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 02:08 (four years ago) link
"mouths of babes" is perfect
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 02:12 (four years ago) link
I guess this is as good a place as any to announce on ILX that I haven't listened to SP or Billy since July and don't intend to listen to either willfully until, at the very earliest, January 1, 2030.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 02:13 (four years ago) link
my opinion about "rotten apples" upthread is wrong
― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 02:15 (four years ago) link
wait flappy i must know why
I became obsessed with The Smashing Pumpkins in January 2010 after 17 years of being a very casual fan. In Billy, and the Pumpkins, I saw everything I wanted to do as a musician and a performer. Literally every detail: the awe-inspiring work ethic, the aesthetics, the mix of humor & power, the frankness and honesty compared to other more coy Gen X artists, the clothes, his playing style, his gestures, his tics. And, obviously, the music and lyrics. It was beyond just being a huge fan, it was a dead end. For years I felt it was impeding me creatively and I think my sudden superfandom in 2010 really derailed my own work. So after nearly a decade of superfandom, where I evangelized and acted as a surrogate defender of maligned artist at his lowest point (does it get any worse than the Teargarden era?).
I'm still regularly inspired by artists I've loved for years, and songs I've heard a million times, but Billy is different. The Pumpkins weren't giving me anything anymore, and they took up space in my brain, so I expelled them for a decade. I feel great.
Fitting for The Aeroplane Flies High thread, because that was the last song I listened to back in July.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 02:29 (four years ago) link
Discussion of said band may continue at a moderate pace, Instagram may be accessed, Q&A's may be read.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 05:23 (four years ago) link
I felt like I was burning a dead circuit, for years.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 06:11 (four years ago) link
is there like a 12-step for that or did you just white-knuckle it
― j., Wednesday, 23 October 2019 02:19 (four years ago) link
did you guys know that despite all my rage i am still just a rat in a cage?
― treeship., Wednesday, 23 October 2019 02:40 (four years ago) link
we know buddy don't beat yourself up
― j., Wednesday, 23 October 2019 02:52 (four years ago) link
flappy i wanna hear your band
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 03:25 (four years ago) link
i should probably poll this again without the a-sides.
― billstevejim, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 03:26 (four years ago) link
Flappy just think of all of Billy's appearances on Joe Rogan you can binge in 2030.
― Sam Weller, Thursday, 24 October 2019 14:35 (four years ago) link