Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

i mean this is ... ugh i don't even know. intense

What he left me with, more than what he took from me, was a sense that I deserved this. And that’s the knot I’m still untangling. Every time I’ve ever told the story, I am compelled to tell people how seductive I was towards these men. I’m compelled to tell people how much I wanted these things because some very deep part of me feels like it’s lying if I don’t say that. If I don’t describe how consensual it was. Some part of me takes a lot of work to understand that I can have been the victim of someone and not be a victim. So that’s all fucked up in my head.

and this. i remember doing the same thing when i started to process what had happened to me.

When did your thinking around what had happened start to change?
When do I start to think of him as a sexual predator?

Yeah. I assume you would call him that now.
I would call him that to his face. I would call him a pedophile and a sexual predator. When I turned 25, I looked at every 14-year-old boy I could see, to try to understand what those men had seen, because I still on some level thought I had been a tiny adult. That whole year I was 25, I tried to just see the ones who were like six-foot-two, and 200 pounds — they all looked like children. They all looked like somebody who was 10 years old four years ago. Nobody looks fuckable. Nobody … I couldn’t conjure it up. I couldn’t conjure up the desire. It was nauseating to think of having sex with them, and that was, I think, certainly when I understood, on a very deep level, these men were fucked up. Up until then, I just thought about him as somebody who had really done me wrong and tried to rape me, but not as somebody who had functioned as a predator. And then, if you’re interested in sexual predation, you start to read about it, and you realize all these patterns and techniques, and it all kind of falls within a set of practices.

yeah - i don't quite see what the criticism of his story is? what do you see that maligns the accuser? if anything, he's terribly honest about his own motivations as a teenager

i felt the same way
teenagers think they have it all figured out and really they don't
it can take many years to come to terms with being victimized/preyed upon

that most recent accuser of spacey's sounds like one incredibly fucked up person. I'm not victim blaming but my god.

― akm, Thursday, November 2, 2017 2:35 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hmm interesting wonder what could have possible made him "fucked up"

I have some thoughts on the Spacey story, and the source. Aaaaand they will stay in my head.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, November 2, 2017 2:32 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I really hate the way my brain processes traumatic events because after reading that guy's story, I sat staring at my screen thinking, "Jesus, what a terrible story. I'm glad he seems to have come out the other side okay-" and then all of a sudden every other thought was crowded out by "Keyser Sose touches kids / Doo-dah, doo-dah" to the tune of "Camptown Races".

― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Thursday, November 2, 2017 2:34 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that most recent accuser of spacey's sounds like one incredibly fucked up person. I'm not victim blaming but my god.

<3 you DJP but really you should've done what morbz did here

woops meant to leave out akms post in there but whatever

god theres some dumb shit itt today smh

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22912/former-grad-student-accuses-neil-de-grasse-tyson-emily-zanotti

― j., Wednesday, November 1, 2017 8:13 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yep.

is that a "yep" like a John Gruber "yep"

that anonymous spacey account tore my heart to shreds

agree

yeah I wasn't trying to tarnish him, just that those situations with the cousin and the parents fucked him up.

well duh

I think it's safe to assume Spacey's career is over now.

Hell of a strong read

https://www.theroot.com/kevin-spacey-and-the-damage-done-1820052424

like it's completely not cool to casually say "hey wow that trauma really fucked you up!"
i feel like this needs to be said (i didn't before someone said it but...)

it's bad enough that it has to happen and ruins a young person's relationship to their body; to be seen as a "fucked up person" is the fear of everyone who has lived with the reverberations of sexual assault

A new name

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/02/david-corn-mother-jones-workplace-behavior-probe-244482

this too

https://www.thewrap.com/corey-feldman-names-one-abusers-dr-oz-show/

Fuck Dr Oz though.

A new name

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/02/david-corn-mother-jones-workplace-behavior-probe-244482🕸

spacey being accused by people who work for house of cards now.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/02/media/house-of-cards-kevin-spacey-harassment/index.html

'I am an exuberant person and'

speaking of guilty Spacey lols

House of Cards S06E01 (2018) pic.twitter.com/4Zrhamtuim

— Xmas Early Adopter (@k_morrissey) October 31, 2017

lol

Between Spacey and Masterson, this isn't a good time to be Netflix...

they have a multi billion dollar production budget, they'll live.

that most recent accuser of spacey's sounds like one incredibly fucked up person. I'm not victim blaming but my god.

― akm, Thursday, November 2, 2017 6:35 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Man, this comment is fucked up. "Not victim blaming BUT..."

Yeah ok fucked up internet person, "Fucked up person" (...) backstories don't make their stories about abuse less believable, nor less true. You are victim blaming 1.01. Don't say you aren't. You should apologize for this shit imho.

Os tand by it, so we can ban you. Seriously.

*Or stand

feel super-vindicated at basically hating Kevin Spacey for a good 20 years now and never watching more than 10 mins of his bad-accent guignol version of the untouchable house of cards

Glengary Glen Ross was p good :/

yeah okay it worked there maybe *grits teeth*

I have some thoughts on the Spacey story, and the source. Aaaaand they will stay in my head.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, November 2, 2017 2:32 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what's their proximity to the thoughts you expressed after the milo pedophilia news cycle

i wasn't reading the anonymous spacey accuser as "fucked up" in any way, he seemed clear-headed and eloquent. i was reading that thinking 'i'd read this guy's memoirs' and not because of the connection with spacey

I felt that way too qualx

his parents behaviour or lack vis a vis the pedophile cousin is definitely o_O-ville

but re Spacey:
the accuser’s story raises interesting questions about sexual agency- he sees his own desires through a very different lens as an adult now vs how he saw it then as a teen. a teen “in their right mind” initiating sex or agreeing to it doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a healthy undertaking for either party.
it can be, of course, and sometimes is.
but there’s a lot of murk!! young teen boys + much older men is a reality of sexual awakening for a lot of ppl but that whole area can be such choppy waters for everyone involved.

but ultimately so brave of him to share such a deeply personal, challenging, and heartwrenching story.

also: knowing that there’s a lot more stories about Spacey yet to see the light of day, it definitely shades his pathology. i mean, he admits he noticed the kid at 12 ffs.

https://www.artforum.com/news/id=71957

We, the undersigned contributing editors of Artforum, stand with the magazine’s current and former staff in condemning the publishers’ handling of the allegation of Knight Landesman’s sexual misconduct—as reflected in their original statement, from October 24, denigrating the actions of the woman who first brought this situation to light, as “an attempt to exploit a relationship that she herself worked hard to create and maintain.” Both the alleged behavior and the response to it are deplorable. We are united in our belief that everyone should be able to live and work free from all forms of unwanted contact, intimidation, or coercion for any reason, whether rooted in gender, sex, race, ethnicity, nationality, age, weight, ability, or class. Indeed, our engagement with the magazine has been predicated on a shared investment in this fundamental principle, as emblematized by Michelle Kuo’s recent principled resignation as editor. We express our deep respect for her decision as well as our full support for David Velasco, who is taking her place in this contentious and uncertain time. In the weeks and months to come, we expect the magazine’s publishers both to assume responsibility and to take all action necessary, in coordination with the staff, to ensure a transparent, equitable professional environment free of harassment and discrimination. Given the magazine’s history and longstanding commitments, Artforum’s communities of writers and readers deserve no less.

“young teen boys + much older men is a reality of sexual awakening for a lot of ppl”

I know there’s a different cultural framing but how is this actually different from a 30 year old man and a 13 year old girl

no difference at all, for some reason it's acceptable for certain older gay men to peddle the narrative that fucking teenagers is good for them and if they happen to end up traumatized years later it's on them, or something

most recently peddled by the guy slate won't stop publishing in his already-aged-super-well "How Calling Kevin Spacey a Pedophile Hurts the Gay Community", where he once again uses a mixture of NAMBLA rhetoric and the same arguments you see 4channers using when they defend their love of kiddie hentai ('the age of consent is different in different countries so statutory rape doesn't exist!' 'but there's definitely a hard distinction between pedophilia and ephebehebephila, a word used by literally no one except us')

Not that I'm trying to justify those kind of arguments or anything, but ephebophilia is a real thing, and presumably way more common than "proper" pedophilia... Hence all those "barely legal" porn flicks etc.

VegGrrl otm

I know you're among the squad that hate me, qualx, but there's no need to go that low

a word used by literally no one except us

but then again, you're the proudly ignorant type

I'm glad you've coined a term for yr love of the Three Stooges tho

qualx otm

just because some teens might "turn out okay" after sexual relationships with adults doesn't mean that it's permissible in any way for adults to fuck teenagers

The Artforum allegations are very present on my Facebook timeline. It was an uncomfortable reminder that this problem is everywhere and not some Hollywood (or some other community where I’m not a member) issue. I was encouraged by a few updates from women in my professional community (academic science) that we made progress on these issues in the past decade or two after confronting similar problems, but I feel like that’s probably bullshit and a shoe will inevitably drop.

I was encouraged by a few updates from women in my professional community (academic science) that we made progress on these issues in the past decade or two after confronting similar problems, but I feel like that’s probably bullshit and a shoe will inevitably drop

http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-uc-berkeley-astronomer-sexual-harassment-20151013-story.html
https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i37/Confronting-sexual-harassment-chemistry.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/10/31/after-metoo-a-facebook-list-names-south-asian-academics-some-say-its-a-step-too-far/

uncomfortable reminder that this problem is everywhere and not some Hollywood issue

yep yep yep

anywhere there's a considerable power differential really