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It's not absurd to say that finding post-pubertal humans attractive is a different thing to wanting to fuck young children. Calling the former by the name of the latter is unhelpful precisely because it makes it harder to discuss what wrong can be done by a 26-year-old having sex with a consenting 14-year-old.

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 3 November 2017 16:05 (six years ago) link

yeah I don't follow how calling a adult who rapes a 14 year old a pedophile makes anything additionally difficult for anyone but ok

qualx, Friday, 3 November 2017 16:10 (six years ago) link

"consenting 14 year old"

qualx, Friday, 3 November 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link

hooooo boy there must be some libertarians in the house

Simon H., Friday, 3 November 2017 16:12 (six years ago) link

The long account by the second teen Spacey accuser makes it clear he thought he was consenting at the time. It also elucidates how his supposed consent did not actually mean he was mature enough to be having sex, and that Spacey (& al) damaged him by that relationship.

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 3 November 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link

That dude was 24?!

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Friday, 3 November 2017 17:40 (six years ago) link

I meant the dude from call me by your name. He looks a lot older (and the kid younger than 17) to me

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Friday, 3 November 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link

Armie Hammer is 30, Chalamet 21.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 November 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link

the characters are 24 and 17

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 3 November 2017 18:07 (six years ago) link

Wow (at the latter, not surprised at all by the former) xp

The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Friday, 3 November 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link

Chalamet plays a teen again in the new Gerwig film.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 November 2017 18:12 (six years ago) link

Benny Hill was one of the least surprising but I don't know what happened.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 3 November 2017 18:15 (six years ago) link

Alec Baldwin: 'I've bullied women.'

flappy bird, Friday, 3 November 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link

many xposts but sic otm

shit is getting heated itt and i get it, age gap wrt sex is a hugely contentious & subjective issue.

i really do think it’s a valid topic for conversation and I want it to be talked about but only IF we listen to each other & appreciate that not everyone a) shares your view or b) shares the unique experiences that inform yr opinion

but i also get that it’s also v painful & personal and very black & white for some ppl and maybe an open discussion itt specifically isn’t the right space for this kind of conversation

& we maybe move on?

idk

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 November 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link

I just need to get the fuck out of ilx for good

qualx, Friday, 3 November 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link

Hey qualx, I'm with you on this. It is a narcissism of small differences thing.

how's life, Friday, 3 November 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link

debates over the age at which it's morally ok to fuck adolescents isn't a small difference situation imo

at times I'm reminded that this place isn't for me, I've spent the better part of the day with my skin crawling, I'm done

qualx, Friday, 3 November 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link

i think u misunderstood me. i meant from the perspective of those defending the distiction.

how's life, Friday, 3 November 2017 19:03 (six years ago) link

17 isn't adolescent though. Still, in all probability, problematic for anyone much over 21. Anyway, this isn't about age, it's about power and control, although obviously people in their 20s dating anyone under 17 is creepy at best

imago, Friday, 3 November 2017 19:08 (six years ago) link

"17 isn't adolescent though" isn't it? I think everything through 19 is 'adolescent'.

to clarify my statement above that caused some dust up: my take on that was that the man was clearly a damaged kid at 14 who certainly perceived himself to be consenting at that age, and then in retrospect realized that consent at that age is rather dicey. I didn't mean to disparage him which is why I said "i'm not victim blaming". the 'but' was probably the wrong word to use. in my defense I'd just woken up, it was like 5:30 am and I hadn't had any coffee and wasn't really phrasing things in a very artful manner. My thoughts on it are better conveyed by VegemiteWoman

akm, Friday, 3 November 2017 19:24 (six years ago) link

i guess in trying not to negate the Spacey accuser’s experience i’ve opened up a can of worms that i’m not able or informed enough to moderate or even navigate

i’m not coming down on either side of this issue because of personal reasons that i’m not willing to share

i naively thought that entertaining the ~idea~ could be done at a distance idk academically i guess but i really did not think through where this thought exercise would go & i am sorry for that

i am not sorry for wanting to talk about it though

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 November 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link

idk if i can deal with this convo anymore either tbh
came back to say that maybe instead of "fucked up" we can say "vulnerable" with an optional "to predators"?

i appreciate the thoughtful discussion, am glad VG is here asking tough questions
17 is adolescent, don't kid yourself

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 3 November 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link

MORE: NYPD says it is building a rape case against Harvey Weinstein, gathering evidence to seek an arrest warrant. https://t.co/h2Bvw0R0wE

— AP Eastern U.S. (@APEastRegion) November 3, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 November 2017 20:24 (six years ago) link

TNR publisher Hamilton Fish resigns amid harassment allegations https://t.co/GKeLuOl1Fp

— Jessica Schulberg (@jessicaschulb) November 3, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 November 2017 21:09 (six years ago) link

WME's Adam Venit on leave amid sexual harassment allegations involving actor Terry Crews (EXCLUSIVE) https://t.co/IMKtI3ZECC pic.twitter.com/w4xhUYy7Cr

— Variety (@Variety) November 3, 2017

mookieproof, Friday, 3 November 2017 21:19 (six years ago) link

whoa

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 November 2017 22:40 (six years ago) link

17 is adolescent, don't kid yourself

otm, although we should probably allow better discretion in cases of relationships where one is 17 and the other is, say, 19, because statutory rape in most jurisdictions carries implications that could be considered a little harsh for somebody who has just become an adult, and where neither party has much influence on the outcome, certainly not compared to the "real" adults who are likely to engage with the case i.e. parents

El Tomboto, Friday, 3 November 2017 23:03 (six years ago) link

all that of nuance is of course rather jejune on a thread about fucked up shit where the abusers have held order of magnitude more power and influence than the victims, even fucking Toback

El Tomboto, Friday, 3 November 2017 23:05 (six years ago) link

the impossibility of discussing this properly is depressing

ogmor, Saturday, 4 November 2017 00:33 (six years ago) link

so sorry you can't have a reasoned debate over the ethics of pederasty because it triggers an emotional response in people who don't appreciate being told that statutory rape is supposed to be good for them! so so so sorry

here's black and white: if you're in your 20s+ and you have have sex with a 14 year old on the off chance that it won't impart to them a lifetime of psychological trauma, you're a pedophile and a rapist.

on the off chance that that child grew up and had nothing but positive memories of the experience, you're still a pedophile and a rapist

until you can invent a time machine that'll send you 50 years in the future so you can have an adult conversation with the child you had sex with and they tell you "i'm glad it happened and do not consider myself taken advantage of or raped", you're a pedophile and a rapist

just like how in the off chance that you violently rape an adult who happens to have a violent rape fetish you knew nothing about, and they couldn't be happier about it, you're still a rapist

full stop

that's it

don't give a shit about your shades of grey, don't know why this is difficult, fuck off

qualx, Saturday, 4 November 2017 02:26 (six years ago) link

but congrats to morbs for popping in to reference a movie no one was talking about so the conversation deflects to debating a much smaller age gap, gj

qualx, Saturday, 4 November 2017 02:28 (six years ago) link

You are having an argument with literally no-one - maybe get some sleep, man.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 4 November 2017 03:03 (six years ago) link

having an argument on a topic i didn't bring up, that has come up here before specifically by posters who have contributed to this exact conversation, that has been written on and defended in popular publications, and i'm sick of shutting up over it, and i'm definitely sick of hearing that emotional responses to rape are stifling some great debate club antics that are supposed to be happening

qualx, Saturday, 4 November 2017 03:14 (six years ago) link

TNR publisher Hamilton Fish resigns amid harassment allegations https://t.co/GKeLuOl1Fp

— Jessica Schulberg (@jessicaschulb) November 3, 2017

no! he was the pillar of the grant administration!

bob lefse (rushomancy), Saturday, 4 November 2017 03:20 (six years ago) link

if you were a gay kid who had a positive sexual experience w/ an older man and you consider it a good thing that happened, i'm genuinely not trying to take that away from you

but it doesn't negate anything i put in that post

qualx, Saturday, 4 November 2017 03:22 (six years ago) link

anyway i'm done, i'm out, that's all

qualx, Saturday, 4 November 2017 03:22 (six years ago) link

Otm.

Mark G, Saturday, 4 November 2017 10:55 (six years ago) link

Forty seconds of hell not-quite-unleashed.

Uma Thurman's response when asked about the flood of sexual misconduct allegations....wow. pic.twitter.com/Sw5Br1GwFg

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) November 4, 2017

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 4 November 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link

whoa.

maura, Saturday, 4 November 2017 17:11 (six years ago) link

<3

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 4 November 2017 17:13 (six years ago) link

^^^

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 4 November 2017 17:26 (six years ago) link

she hasn't been in a movie since Burnt (2015) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uma_Thurman#Filmography , which was released by...

StanM, Saturday, 4 November 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link

and next year she's doing another Von Trier movie?

StanM, Saturday, 4 November 2017 19:11 (six years ago) link

I suspect (but can't prove) von Trier has been better behaved since he sobered up

Simon H., Saturday, 4 November 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link

Asia Argento flees Italy after public condemns her for speaking out about Harvey Weinstein

― Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 20 October 2017 18:02 (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ugh wtf Italy

― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 20 October 2017 18:03 (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 October 2017 18:09 (two weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This seems to be an Italian thing. Was having a conversation about Weinstein with an Italian (female) colleague of mine and she wasn't exactly sympathetic towards his accusers.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 November 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link

I suspect (but can't prove) von Trier has been better behaved since he sobered up

― Simon H., 4. november 2017 22:04 (thirty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I suspect it happened before this. Charlotte Gainsbourg came to his defense, and she's been working with him since 2009. And I don't think you could do Antichrist and have the leading actress interested in working with you again unless you were quite professional.

On the other hand, his marriage recently fell apart because he got caught having an affair with a writer who then wrote about it. And his longterm producer/business partner Peter Aalbæk Nielsen is being forced off the credits of his new film because his answer to allegations of sexual harassment was 'yeah, I probably did that, but I've forgot about it, so it's her problem'.

When the Zentropa story is retold in a couple of years the story is going to be MUCH different than it has been.

Frederik B, Saturday, 4 November 2017 21:49 (six years ago) link

that Uma Thurman video 0_0 wow

Nhex, Sunday, 5 November 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link


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