Let us Anticipate "Call Me By Your Name"

(maybe we shd discuss this in the "arthouse" thread or something)

https://medium.com/@stevenerickson/why-is-call-me-by-your-name-the-years-most-mainstream-gay-film-b54c8044fbd1

Spoilers there!

endless shots of sunny summertime Tuscan landscapes and the bare torsos of actors Armie Hammer and Timothée Chalamet.

And?

Some good points, but I think hanging James Ivory like an albatross on the film is unfair (my impression is that Guadagnino rewrote the script w/ JI, albeit sans credit). The alleged "timidity" about sex doesn't seem a valid charge either -- Guadagnino didn't show particularly explicit sex in A Bigger Splash, did he? (Maybe I slept through it.)

This Erickson guy was moved by the two concluding scenes that pissed off KJB.

also, Beach Rats is not better

Any gay film in which a man licks the lips of another man is not repressed.

Maybe artistically repressed. (Didn’t read the review yet for spoilers, but I’ve agreed with Erickson frequently in the past RE: gay films.)

Any gay film in which a man licks the lips of another man is not repressed.

Or assertively grabs his package on a bike outing.

When Oliver and Elio’s father argue about whether the word “apricot” really originated in Arabic, one can sense Ivory showing off his erudition. The same effect comes across when Elio jokingly says he just played a piano piece as Liszt performing Bach.

Did it occur to Erickson that both of these scenes might've come from the novel? The two characters are young erudite showoffs.

A-1 Jeffrey Wells dis, though.

Let me point out that James Ivory did not direct this movie, nor could he have.

Bland is an idiotic word to use about this film, It's certainly not that!

re: gay cinema w/arty qualities + James Ivory, is MAURICE any good? i saw a trailer for the recent re-release and visually at least it looked vv intriguing.

No.

The book is crap too, but gays like it if they read it at a formative age.

the film is a bit better than the book. it has rupert graves doing a country bumpkin accent.

Maurice is the only Merchant-Ivory movie I've seen I have any time for. And not necessarily a ton at that.

the film is a bit better than the book. it has rupert graves doing a country bumpkin accent.

― Susan Stranglehands (jed_), W

also: Rupert Graves' ass and flaccid cock

yes, Rupert could climb through my window anytime (at least then)

There are several good Merchant-Ivory movies, just not as many as blue-haired li'l old ladies think (and I include Rex Reed among them).

also: Rupert Graves' ass and flaccid cock

porky pig style iirc

I didn't get far into Aciman's book, CMBYN, I really didn't like the writing and found it po-faced and humorless. Having not read the whole thing I can't say for definite that film>>book, in this case, but Guadagnino seems to have successfully undercut that aspect and made a genuinely funny film. The humour makes the relationship much more moving towards the end. I've already said that I was overwhelmed by this, and I was, and I think the reason it upset me so much was that it made my own life feel so passionless. I can think of maybe three or four times in my life that I've been reduced almost to hysterics by a film. The father's speech near the end is something genuinely new. I would have cheered had I not been trying to hold it together,

The first third is rough going, and I almost gave up. Stick with it.

this was ages ago before the movie was on the cards. i will go back and check it then.

I can't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz7T96k6Isc

btw here's a taste:

https://78.media.tumblr.com/cba41759e9c1486092932094434bf481/tumblr_oxd603LOPV1tjvraqo1_500.gif

hm:

As the production neared its end, Hammer admits, he became peevish and started to withdraw. “For reasons that could be personal to Armie, I had the feeling that he was pulling away,” said Guadagnino. “The movie wasn’t finished, and I had to bring him back.” I asked Hammer what had made him behave like that. “Everybody was sort of lashing out because this thing was ending and nobody wanted it to,” he said. He hesitated, wary of what to reveal. “Honestly,” Hammer said, “I think I had fallen in love with Luca.”

“For me to make a movie, it’s really creating a family,” said Guadagnino. “Having a very profound familial bond with the people I’m doing the movies with, where you literally and constantly fall in love with all of them. Sometimes, this emotional flow can be very intense. Very! As it was with Armie. And then it can be very complicated.”

Hammer had flourished as an actor and as a person under Guadagnino’s guidance and he couldn’t bear to let the project go. Eventually, he would have to, and so would Guadagnino, who was slated to begin his next film, a remake of the horror film Suspiria. Hammer said he became jealous once he felt Guadagnino mentally move on to that film. “I was like, ‘You fucking philanderer! You duplicitous bastard!’ And that made me pull away, and then he did, and it turned into this whole thing.”

“That was not my explanation for it,” said Guadagnino. “I never, never put Suspiria in front of Call Me by Your Name.” Still, he understood Hammer’s passion and reciprocated it. “It’s beautiful when you fall in love with someone and you are restrained in your exploration of that feeling and you sublimate it in making a movie like that,” said Guadagnino, who eventually called Hammer to his apartment to hash out his feelings.

wow first I've heard of this suspiria remake

That's been in the works for what seems like forever.

Last I heard David Gordon Green was doing it, and Thom Yorke was doing the score?

Latter part's still true.

The kindest thing I can say about CALL ME BY YOUR NAME - and perhaps I'm boiling my own hot water here - is that the age difference and notions of consent, were very low on my concerns and priorities list.

Film.

Was.

Insanely.

Sincerely.

Romantic. pic.twitter.com/5OVmQvSeA9

— Blake Goble (@BlakeGoble) November 15, 2017

so he hated it

What's the consent issue exactly? Is it just a function of the age difference?

I'm curious if the age gap would bother anyone if it weren't for the difference in their physiques, the fact that Elio looks boyish next to Armie Hammer.

I missed the one festival screening I could have gone to last weekend and now have to wait until Dec 22. *grumble*

Their sex is legal; it's the climate in which the film is being released that has blown up this discussion.

It's not about the current climate, the physique difference is a deliberate tactic to mess with your preconceptions. Eliot is built like a boy but Armie acts as boyish as Elio who is actually more mature and grounded in some ways, in spite of how he looks. The director deliberately heightens it by casting an actor in his 30s. It raises the stakes and makes the patents' acceptance and the father's speech more surprising (and imo, delightful).

I don't understand that tweet Eric Posted - he starts off about to insult the film then gives it the highest compliment.

fwiw apparently Hammer looks older to some of you guys... he turned 31 in late August, so he was probably just shy of 30 when this was shot. (I wonder if actors ever get away with shaving a few years off in this data-driven age.)

i had read he was early thirties (possibly only in this thread) and i thought he was young looking for that.

Hammer plays 24 but looks 30, and jed_'s right: Elio's poise will upset people who haven't read the book and don't realize that life and art don't commingle.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l1J3AqzpjRStb0Nd6/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/26Ff68gV7hXgOtVni/giphy.gif

goddamn it

opened in NY/LA yesterday

Jonathan Romney: too idyllic

https://www.filmcomment.com/blog/film-week-call-name/

pfft

I don't think I've seen many films that have overwhelmed and seduced me to the extent that this one does. Everything that Romney draws out occurred to me either during or afterward and, while I agree with most of what he objects to, I also don't care. I know that Elio is ridiculously precocious but I don't care. I know that his family is stupidly privileged and don't care. I know that I'm being seduced! I don't care! I love every second of this film!

(although it would be better without the Sufjan songs)

I'm...not getting, once again, that this movie is so timid that it deserves brokebacking.

it doesn't

God's Own Country is the less accomplished movie that I liked better.

Man, though, CMBYN has not one but TWO credit sequences for the ages!

https://www.out.com/armond-white/2017/11/30/call-me-your-names-sex-lives-rich-and-immodest

Even the editors of Out are, ahem, out to get him. "Swimming against the tide, our movie critic would rather watch Porky's than Call Me by Your Name" is not what he's saying here, but whatever.

Armie gave Timothee razor burn

http://people.com/movies/armie-hammer-timothee-chalamet-call-me-by-your-name-kiss/

and Chalamet has won best actor from the NY Film Critics Circle

I can't even

"So assailed are we by reports of harmful pleasures, and of the coercive male will being imposed through lust, that it comes as a relief to be reminded, in such style, of consensual joy." — Anthony Lane, New Yorker

"lmao my dude nutted in an apricot" — Whiney G. Weingarten, ILX

Almodovar likes:

“Everything is beautiful, charming, and desirable in this movie: The boys, the girls, the breakfasts, the fruit, the cigarettes, the reservoirs, the bicycles, the open-air dancing, the 80s, the doubts and the devotion of the protagonists, the sincerity of all the characters, the relationship with their parents,” Almodóvar said. “Behold the commitment of the authors André Aciman, James Ivory, and Luca Guadagino with the passion of the senses, the light of Northern Italy, and especially Timothée Chalament, the great revelation of the year.”

Upon further reflection, this movie's kinda overly precious, no?