"These are all the types of female that exist, and Keith was very thorough."
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 9 November 2017 15:59 (six years ago) link
there seemed to be a brief window after sheen meltdown #2 or 3 where it seemed like he was going to have a 'comeback' and then he admitted to having HIV and I believe perhaphs knowingly sleeping with women and not telling them, and then that was over. I can't really remember the last time he came up though. where is he now?He did 100 episodes of a sitcom that Sam Simon wrote on, and played the president in Machete Kills
― shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:28 (six years ago) link
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/louis-cks-movie-premiere-canceled-advance-ny-times-story-1056585
― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.312accd3cb84
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Thursday, 9 November 2017 17:57 (six years ago) link
O_O
― omar little, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
“These allegations are completely false and are a desperate political attack by the National Democrat Party and the Washington Post on this campaign,” Moore, now 70, said.
Of course, lol.
Don't know if the Louie one 'deserves' to be on this thread yet, though it's HR's choice to leave allegations against CK completely out of it, even though it's prob the reason?
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link
If the published allegations end up lining up with the rumors it'll definitely be thread-worthy.
― Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link
Well yeah
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:12 (six years ago) link
I've seen the movie and tbh he was dreaming or simply a moron if he thought he was going to get away with making *that* without his (apparent) skeletons getting dug up
― Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
"We’re at the bleeding edge of 'That’s not OK to do now,' but those people are still around," C.K. said about dealing with the controversial topics dealt with in the film. "That’s a very interesting line to be on.”
hmm yes
― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
ahh the complicated struggles of the modern intellectual artist man trying to come to grips with his own demons, isn't it fascinating, fellow gents?
― omar little, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:16 (six years ago) link
Thread has definitely been keeping a seat warm for LCK iirc
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link
*films self in black and white, regards 18(ish?) yr old woman w/desire, struggles w/self furiously*
― omar little, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link
This might not be a fair comment, I've never seen Louie, but I was hanging out with a bunch of dudes once, kinda performatively woke dudes, and we were listening to some Louis CK standup & it was funny but I was like "these rape jokes are kinda off no?" and they reassured me "no it's ok he did an episode about that"& in my head that's basically what Louie is
― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
*struggles w/self furiously* good euphemism
― Mordy, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
"no it's ok he did an episode about that"
this is killing me
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
he sucks i don't like him
― brimstead, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:24 (six years ago) link
I loved Louie, and I have a lot of affection for a lot of his standup and other work, but a lot of the core of stuff he acts in boils down to: have your onscreen avatar express the wrong position on an issue, get taken to task for it by other (usually female) characters in an amusing way, with CK-as-writer demonstrating enough of a command of each side of the issue that we tend to think of CK *himself* as virtuous by extension, having successfully dumbed himself down/denigrated himself onscreen. I think creating that kind of viewer-text relationship has helped to keep these questions at bay for a long time.
― Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
bums me out that vernon chatman is so closely involved with that grotesque project. maybe he's just been an asshole all along? but such an impressive asshole ;_;
― imago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:28 (six years ago) link
this episode is fucking terrible btw
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link
a guy who was heavily involved w/South Park might be an asshole?
― omar little, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link
I've never gotten into his show or stand-up but I will not let this tarnish my memory of Pootie Tang
― mh, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
His relationship to women has always been the worst part of his work, both in his standup and his show. I think I posted this after seeing him a couple of years ago:
in his stand-up there's a lot of stuff that's really self-loathing with regard to heterosexual relationships and put into general women/men terms, i often find myself thinking "nah i think this is just very specific to your issues, dude."
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 21:31 (two years ago) Permalink
and i appreciate comedy and art that's vulnerable and specific, but it's precisely because it comes off as not self-aware that it bothers me.
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 21:32 (two years ago) Permalink
xp
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
Simon H. otm and that episode indeed sucks.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:33 (six years ago) link
― omar little, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:29 (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
south park + wonder showzen + xra = obv an asshole but also some sort of comedy wizard. this is a different and lower kind of assholism
― imago, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:34 (six years ago) link
I disagree that his work isn't self-aware - if anything it's *so* self-aware that it acted as a kind of shield from this sort of criticism. Again this is all over the new film.
― Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:35 (six years ago) link
I have had this exact same reaction
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link
we'll see what happens w/ this MoMA showing
https://www.moma.org/calendar/events/3692?locale=en
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:37 (six years ago) link
Haven't seen the film of course but I think it's been a blind spot in the past (which sticks out because he's so self-aware when he talks about anything else).
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
not talking about assault, but if you're going to kick every asshole out of showbiz... especially COMEDIANS...
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
I've never seen "Louie" either, but that "Everything's amazing" bit he did was dreadful.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
I mean, I couldn't make it as a standup, which indicates how high the assholism bar is.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link
the stuff about his kids is some of the best comedy I've ever heard, and the stuff about women just as depressingly stupid as pretty much every other A-list male comic
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link
I pretty much lost any desire to listen to Louis CK once the rumors came out, just like Cosby
― crüt, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
proposed policy: ban "adult" cartoons
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link
Yeah I doubt I'll ever get round to the show now - what might have seemed "brave", a guy putting his worst self on display, will now just play as him locking the door & getting his junk out xp
― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
eh I never though he was "brave", really
there is some good stuff in the show (the Lynch-Marshall arc/episodes are awesome, as are the ones w Parker Posey and Chloe Sevigny) but it is v hit and miss, and sort of smugly self-satisfied.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link
RIP King of the Hill ;_;
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:52 (six years ago) link
Need my comedians to actually self-loathe, not as part of their loveable schtick tbh
― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:53 (six years ago) link
I did want to check out the eps with David Lynch in. Sadly I'm weighing up the odds of having two big reasons not to in future
― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:53 (six years ago) link
Also he performed swearing, he was no good at swearing naturally. Cardinal.
― Gary Synaesthesia (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:54 (six years ago) link
two reasons?
― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link
Oh, the self-loathing is definitely real.
― Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link
anyway this has probably been enough analysis of CK's project for the sexual harassment thread
― Simon H., Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link
Would compare CK to Philip Roth: master of craft, restless artist, willing to focus on his weaknesses and worst aspects, kinda fucked up and self-aware of fucking up, and best rest with no knowledge of the author's own behavior.
― Mhm Female (Eazy), Thursday, 9 November 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link
I was talking with a friend of mine about 3 weeks ago about when Louis C.K. would get dragged & how truly bizarre his new movie looked. I think I said this upthread, but him making a movie like that is totally of a piece with Woody Allen commenting "I just hope it doesn't become a witch hunt," Kevin Spacey "I choose to live now as a gay man," Jerry Sandusky's insane phone interview with Bob Costas, Bill Cosby doing Fat Albert heyyy heyyy heyyy! walking out of the courtroom... it's like they get off on testing the limits, pushing the boundaries to their breaking point to see how far they can get away with just blatantly stating what they do w/o consequences. I'm amazed it took this long for a Louis takedown to happen- that Gawker story a few years ago was pretty damning. I told my friend as much, and he said Louis wouldn't get taken down because "too many people like him" - which I thought was ridiculous, frankly I'm surprised by the fandom itt. I saw him on NYE '12-'13 and it was boring. Never watched the show. SNL '15 monologue was stupid. I imagine the "damaging NYT piece" will have a lot more stuff than jerking off in front of women against their will.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 9 November 2017 19:02 (six years ago) link
xp to Jordan I'm talking about the little voice that wonders about lynch, or any male artist you're attached to, but particularly in this case one whom you (I) constantly have to defend from charges of misogyny as it isIt's both insane how rife this is and depressingly unsurprising
― The Suite Life of Jack and Wendy (wins), Thursday, 9 November 2017 19:03 (six years ago) link
is Cosby's trial still going on I don't remember
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 November 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link
David Lynch would not surprise me sadly
xp he did the Fat Albert thing when he got off iirc
― flappy bird, Thursday, 9 November 2017 19:05 (six years ago) link
phrasing
― while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Thursday, 9 November 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link