Weinsteins step down as Miramax CEOs

"no it's ok he did an episode about that"

this is killing me

he sucks i don't like him

I loved Louie, and I have a lot of affection for a lot of his standup and other work, but a lot of the core of stuff he acts in boils down to: have your onscreen avatar express the wrong position on an issue, get taken to task for it by other (usually female) characters in an amusing way, with CK-as-writer demonstrating enough of a command of each side of the issue that we tend to think of CK *himself* as virtuous by extension, having successfully dumbed himself down/denigrated himself onscreen. I think creating that kind of viewer-text relationship has helped to keep these questions at bay for a long time.

bums me out that vernon chatman is so closely involved with that grotesque project. maybe he's just been an asshole all along? but such an impressive asshole ;_;

"no it's ok he did an episode about that"

this episode is fucking terrible btw

a guy who was heavily involved w/South Park might be an asshole?

I've never gotten into his show or stand-up but I will not let this tarnish my memory of Pootie Tang

His relationship to women has always been the worst part of his work, both in his standup and his show. I think I posted this after seeing him a couple of years ago:

in his stand-up there's a lot of stuff that's really self-loathing with regard to heterosexual relationships and put into general women/men terms, i often find myself thinking "nah i think this is just very specific to your issues, dude."

― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 21:31 (two years ago) Permalink

and i appreciate comedy and art that's vulnerable and specific, but it's precisely because it comes off as not self-aware that it bothers me.

― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 21:32 (two years ago) Permalink

xp

Simon H. otm and that episode indeed sucks.

a guy who was heavily involved w/South Park might be an asshole?

― omar little, Thursday, 9 November 2017 18:29 (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

south park + wonder showzen + xra = obv an asshole but also some sort of comedy wizard. this is a different and lower kind of assholism

I disagree that his work isn't self-aware - if anything it's *so* self-aware that it acted as a kind of shield from this sort of criticism. Again this is all over the new film.

in his stand-up there's a lot of stuff that's really self-loathing with regard to heterosexual relationships and put into general women/men terms, i often find myself thinking "nah i think this is just very specific to your issues, dude."

I have had this exact same reaction

we'll see what happens w/ this MoMA showing

https://www.moma.org/calendar/events/3692?locale=en

Haven't seen the film of course but I think it's been a blind spot in the past (which sticks out because he's so self-aware when he talks about anything else).

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not talking about assault, but if you're going to kick every asshole out of showbiz... especially COMEDIANS...

I've never seen "Louie" either, but that "Everything's amazing" bit he did was dreadful.

I mean, I couldn't make it as a standup, which indicates how high the assholism bar is.

the stuff about his kids is some of the best comedy I've ever heard, and the stuff about women just as depressingly stupid as pretty much every other A-list male comic

I pretty much lost any desire to listen to Louis CK once the rumors came out, just like Cosby

proposed policy: ban "adult" cartoons

Yeah I doubt I'll ever get round to the show now - what might have seemed "brave", a guy putting his worst self on display, will now just play as him locking the door & getting his junk out

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eh I never though he was "brave", really

there is some good stuff in the show (the Lynch-Marshall arc/episodes are awesome, as are the ones w Parker Posey and Chloe Sevigny) but it is v hit and miss, and sort of smugly self-satisfied.

proposed policy: ban "adult" cartoons

RIP King of the Hill ;_;

Need my comedians to actually self-loathe, not as part of their loveable schtick tbh

I did want to check out the eps with David Lynch in. Sadly I'm weighing up the odds of having two big reasons not to in future

Also he performed swearing, he was no good at swearing naturally. Cardinal.

two reasons?

Need my comedians to actually self-loathe, not as part of their loveable schtick tbh

Oh, the self-loathing is definitely real.

anyway this has probably been enough analysis of CK's project for the sexual harassment thread

Would compare CK to Philip Roth: master of craft, restless artist, willing to focus on his weaknesses and worst aspects, kinda fucked up and self-aware of fucking up, and best rest with no knowledge of the author's own behavior.

I was talking with a friend of mine about 3 weeks ago about when Louis C.K. would get dragged & how truly bizarre his new movie looked. I think I said this upthread, but him making a movie like that is totally of a piece with Woody Allen commenting "I just hope it doesn't become a witch hunt," Kevin Spacey "I choose to live now as a gay man," Jerry Sandusky's insane phone interview with Bob Costas, Bill Cosby doing Fat Albert heyyy heyyy heyyy! walking out of the courtroom... it's like they get off on testing the limits, pushing the boundaries to their breaking point to see how far they can get away with just blatantly stating what they do w/o consequences. I'm amazed it took this long for a Louis takedown to happen- that Gawker story a few years ago was pretty damning. I told my friend as much, and he said Louis wouldn't get taken down because "too many people like him" - which I thought was ridiculous, frankly I'm surprised by the fandom itt. I saw him on NYE '12-'13 and it was boring. Never watched the show. SNL '15 monologue was stupid. I imagine the "damaging NYT piece" will have a lot more stuff than jerking off in front of women against their will.

xp to Jordan I'm talking about the little voice that wonders about lynch, or any male artist you're attached to, but particularly in this case one whom you (I) constantly have to defend from charges of misogyny as it is

It's both insane how rife this is and depressingly unsurprising

is Cosby's trial still going on I don't remember

David Lynch would not surprise me sadly

xp he did the Fat Albert thing when he got off iirc

phrasing

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...he did the Fat Albert thing when he got off...

Posts taken out of context...

lads

Louis CK has done lots of stuff that I've found very funny and entertaining, but none of it would cause me to doubt the possibility that he may be a colossal asshole.

I'm not comfortable with the elision of "sexual abuser" in favor of "asshole"

fair enough

Every sexual abuser is an asshole, not every asshole is a sexual abuser.

Agree

Crut otm

Exclusive: 5 women tell NYT that Louis C.K. crossed a line into sexual misconduct https://t.co/GYl09W0uW2

— The New York Times (@nytimes) November 9, 2017

welp

there it goes

What an asshole.

“I think the line gets crossed when you take all your clothes off and start masturbating,” Ms. Wolov said.

jesus